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Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« on: May 07, 2005, 05:42:09 PM »
Hi -

I'm ready to smash my X-Surf card with a large hammer unless I can get some help getting it configured properly.
The sofware on the CD is a piece of *hit - the installation script can not be seen INSTALL_ENGLISH.  

I can not get Genesis or Miami to function properly with it and am about at my wits end. Are there any instructions posted somewhere to get through this?

I've loaded
MUI
OS3.9
Genesis

Everything I need to get this done.  The installation scirpt bombs and says it can not find / open / install the files where they need to go x-surf.device or x-surf.config.

HELP .  . or the card (and maybe the computer the card is in) GET IT !

Seriously, any help is appreciated
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Re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2005, 06:06:03 PM »
do you have the original CDROM? its an XSurf or an XSurf2?

i don't remember to have had problems during the installation!

mhhh . . .wait . . you need Genesis properly installed before.

i.e do you have a drawer called Networks/ in Devs:

Devs:Networks/

The xsurf.device, will be copied inside it by the installer.



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Re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 06:20:02 PM »
Umm, okay...

I never had any problems with mine.  I did take the time to run through a 'manual' install the last time I reloaded my A3000, go here and download the SANA-II driver:

http://siliconsonic.de/t/bin/xsurf.lha

Follow the included instructions, basically you're creating a 'network' folder in your Devs folder to copy a device file to (a M680x0 specific CPU driver), and also copying the config file to the ENV: location. (The config file controls the duplex setting; you may want to modify it to turn duplexing off as some switches and hubs don't support it.) Reboot, and it should be loaded.

After that, you'll have to configure your TCP/IP stack to pick the device.  Never used Genesis, but Miami has a configuration application that basically walks you through a few questions on how & what you want to configure.  Choose the SANA-II driver options along with whatever Static or DHCP setitngs you'll be using and you should be all set.

All the other junk on the CD appears to be a version of Samba for Amiga / Windows file sharing, not really necessary for basic Internet web browsing.

The SiliconSonic site also has drivers for the X-Surf IDE device too, if you think you'll ever need to load those.

Good luck...

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Re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 06:21:21 PM »
Yes, do as what Framiga says. You dont need to use the installer. (I didnt)

Copy the x-surf.device to devs:networks/ then select it from genesis, fill your rest network stuff and you're good to go.
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Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 06:33:50 PM »
Thanks - I'm totally burned out for today.  I appreciate the help and suggestions.  I will put my sledge hammer away and try again in the morning.  Thans for the quick responses . . . it might have save the card, computer and my mariage (taking this much too seriously ! ).

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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2005, 06:47:45 PM »
Isn't there a config file that needs to be present in envarc: or envarc:sanaii or something? I seem to remember having one the last time I installed my X-Surf card.
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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2005, 06:58:49 PM »
@doctorq:

You only need the ENVARC:Sana2/x-surf.config it you wish to change the default duplex-settings.

@ckillerh3:

If you plan to break the card in half, please send it to me instead :D.


/Patrik
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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2005, 06:59:13 PM »
yep . . . but if he has a full installation of Genesis/AmiTCP, the XSurf installer will do all the job :-)

IMHO he "probably" doesn't have Genesis properly installed (the "Devs:Networks" drawer is created by the Genesis/AmiTCP installation)

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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2005, 10:02:16 PM »
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I'm ready to smash my X-Surf card with a large hammer unless I can get some help getting it configured properly.


Actually, just smash the card now.  Even if you get it working, it's only a matter of a few months before it'll fry itself and take half your system with it.  Cut your losses.  ;-)
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Re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2005, 02:58:36 AM »
Stephen,

When you say that you "can't get Genesis or Miami to
function properly with it" what do you mean?

If it can't open the device perhaps the card is not being
recognized by the Amiga. I had this problem when I first
installed my X-Surf more than 5 years ago and have heard
of it happening to others.

Try querying the device (using the sana or mni drivers)
with Miami. If Miami can't find the board try re-seating
the card or putting it into another slot. Worked for me then
and the card has worked flawlessly ever since.

Brian
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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2005, 07:57:43 AM »
Ilwrath:

The smiley is put a bit late, one could think that you really mean the X-Surf breaks on a regular basis, and even damages the computer. Good thing that it's just the opposite, working fine for up to six years now for the early users, same for more than 2400 other customers.

ckiller also emailed me directly, and got two long and detailed eMails. Seems like he needs to take some time to work through the suggestions I made, and answer my questions about his network setup.

Jens Schoenfeld
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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2005, 10:49:13 AM »
Hi Jens

i was tempted to answer but i've preferred to renounce.

Don't worry Jens . . . people "with a brain", knows how reliable are your products :-)

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X-Surf Update - Not smashing it after all
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2005, 10:52:47 PM »
Hi -

With help from Jens (developer, programmer) and Joe at Software Hut I've got the X-Surf card running OK.  Both were very prompt an receiving and answering e-mails.  I was just a tad frustrated at the complexity of the problem, and the time it took to figure things out.  

There are bugs with the installation script, but with help from Amiga.Org and others I learned where to find the required files, where to move them to, and how to approach getting the TCP/IP programs configured properly.

The card itself turns out to be fine, and the actual drivers do what they need to do.

I still can not get the Installation Wizards for either Genesis or MiamiDX to work properly.  I got MiamiDX to work at last using the configuration file that was set-up for my Amiga 1200 and 3-Comm PCM-CIA card.  I moved this file to my A4000 and used that to get the program running, then told it to use the X-surf.device instead of the 3Comm.device driver. Poof . . it connected just fine.

Sorry if I ruffled some feathers.  Thanks for helping, everbody.
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Re: Putting the hammer away re: Will SMASH X-Surf Card Unless . . . .
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2005, 12:56:25 AM »
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The smiley is put a bit late, one could think that you really mean the X-Surf breaks on a regular basis, and even damages the computer.


Well, I was just expressing an opinion, but yeah, that was kinda what I was getting at.  I have a dead X-Surf and damaged 4000 to back my opinion.  Now, I may have stated my opinion a little harshly, but I think it was fairly obvious that I wasn't really calling for an X-Surf smashing rebellion.

I suppose I should now include a "22 Minutes" style disclaimer in my .sig.  "This post is a satirical examination of past Amiga events.  Some readers may not share this sense of humor."

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ckiller also emailed me directly, and got two long and detailed eMails. Seems like he needs to take some time to work through the suggestions I made, and answer my questions about his network setup.


Yeah, he does.  It certainly sounds like a config issue, not a hardware one.  If you look at the previous thread here, I offered him some fairly reasonable network config advice, as well.  I don't ALWAYS advocate senseless destruction.  Just when it suits my mood.  :lol:
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Re: X-Surf Update - Not smashing it after all
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2005, 01:28:55 AM »
My X-Surf card runs great.  I have the original X-Surf card
and purchased it when it first came out.  Its a "scary" looking
card, but it functions as needed.

C Snyder
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