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Offline utri007Topic starter

68060 speedup patches + more
« on: October 21, 2009, 08:45:20 AM »
Hi

I recently bought Blizzard 68060 accelerator, its overclocked to 66mhz.

I currently use latesta Phase5 68060 library, cyberpatcher and blizkick. Setpatch is from boingbag2

It seems to be not so much faster than my previous 68040 40mhz apollo accelerator.

What paches I should install to get it faster?? ie. Duke 3d is totally unplayable, was at least 50% faster with apollo.

WB screen refreshing seems allso slower etc.

Games like DOom, quake, napalm runs only little bit faster 10%-15%

I'm allso interested to know what options I should enable/disable from CyberGraph options?
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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 09:56:48 AM »
There is no way even without patches that 060 at 66mhz is slower than 040 at @ 40.
 
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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 10:11:01 AM »
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I currently use latesta Phase5 68060 library

Are you sure you've installed it correctly?
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 10:23:49 AM »
try fblit and blazewcp
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 10:29:14 AM »
Oxypatcher might be better than Cyberpatcher in some cases, it has more supported instructions.
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 10:56:07 AM »
I'm sure 68040.dummy named to 68040.library and 68060 library.

They are from here http://phase5.a1k.org/

FBlit and blazewb are for those who doesn't have grapihics card
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 11:30:06 AM »
If you are gaming thru ZorroII bus, it does max. 3.5 MB/s, in effect just 2 -2.5 MB/s crippling screen refresh and making everything more than 320x240 impractical. So making the difference between 040 and 060 smaller.
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 02:02:02 PM »
I know, realizm is that with zorro II graphics card I get that 10-15% speed up with my 060 compared to 040

BUT why duke nukem is totally unplayable and why wb seems to be slower
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 02:04:48 PM »
I would uninstall cybpergraphix and re-install selecting 060 as the processor, should install the 060 versions of the libs
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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 04:44:58 PM »
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I know, realizm is that with zorro II graphics card I get that 10-15% speed up with my 060 compared to 040

BUT why duke nukem is totally unplayable and why wb seems to be slower


About Duke:
- to get the framerate, type inside a running game "dnrate"

320x200 should do about 15 fps (PicassoIV in A4000), what's your figure?
Have you tried Picasso96? Which RTG card do you have?  Have you tried direct access in graphic config menu - it should give a speedup with CGX - if it works...
I don't know how well Duke is optimized for 060. Probably I have it installed - must have a look at it with my A4000. I used to play it via Shapeshifter, where it was quite playable.
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 06:24:20 PM »
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If you are gaming thru ZorroII bus, it does max. 3.5 MB/s, in effect just 2 -2.5 MB/s crippling screen refresh and making everything more than 320x240 impractical. So making the difference between 040 and 060 smaller.

With the PIV there's little practical difference - less than 1 FPS in the Quake timedemo between my A2000 and A3000 (both '060 50MHz), dropping to around .5 FPS difference at higher resolutions. (Overclocking the A2000 to 60MHz gives it a few FPS advantage.) *edit* -- are the A1200 busboards are slower than real Z2?  

With the TekMagic at least, writes across the Z2 bus hit 3.6 MB/sec (according to bustest), reading is 2.8 MB/s at 50MHz, 3.6 MB/s at 60MHz. (Reading from the PIV directly is a bit slower.) Benchmarks are roughly equal up until a 24-bit 1024x768 screen is selected, where the A2000 is finally measurably slower.
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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2016, 03:24:55 AM »
bump!

I just had this issue as well with a Blizzard 1260/66Mhz. Was dissapointed in the speed.  I then did the following from my research:

-Latest libs!  (040_060Libs.lha)
-BlizKick
-FBlit
-FText
-BlazeWCP
-CopyMem060
-UtilPatch060
-CyberPatcher

and it has made a big difference!  52 mips on SysInfo.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 03:28:10 AM by TjLaZer »
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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2016, 07:21:41 AM »
-Latest libs! (040_060Libs.lha) : I currently use mmu libs
-BlizKick : I can't use this, I have 1mb kickstart/rom and blizkick soesn't support them, only 512kb roms is supported. I use CPU Fast command. Better solution would be nice.
-FBlit : It is towerized system with RTG
-FText : - " " -
-BlazeWCP : I'm running this, it doesn't affect Picasso96
-CopyMem060 : I use MPC's
-UtilPatch060 : Need to check this
-CyberPatcher : Most of apps/games are for 040/060 anyway?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2016, 07:24:34 AM »
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Oxypatcher might be better than Cyberpatcher in some cases, it has more supported instructions.

Oxypatcher has bugs and patches some instructions into nonsense. FBDcc is, for example, one of them. Besides... It only helps for programs that use the FPU heavily, and then also require that the software in question does not keep a checksum on its code. Which some copy protected code may do.   *If* you want to run such a program (for example for raytracing), I would suggest MuRedox.
 

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Re: 68060 speedup patches + more
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2016, 07:34:06 AM »
Quote from: utri007;802037
-Latest libs! (040_060Libs.lha) : I currently use mmu libs
-BlizKick : I can't use this, I have 1mb kickstart/rom and blizkick soesn't support them, only 512kb roms is supported. I use CPU Fast command. Better solution would be nice.
-FBlit : It is towerized system with RTG
-FText : - " " -
-BlazeWCP : I'm running this, it doesn't affect Picasso96
-CopyMem060 : I use MPC's
-UtilPatch060 : Need to check this
-CyberPatcher : Most of apps/games are for 040/060 anyway?

To be frank, most of this is not really helping much. "CPU Fast" is nonsense and does not work for a 060 at all since it does not support it. If you want to mirror the ROM into RAM and have the mmu libs, use "MuFastROM". Not any third party program.  Additionally, depending on the board, "MuFastZero" might also help to mirror execbase into fast memory.   "FBlit" is nonsense if you have an RTG system anyhow (in such a case, blits are executed by the CPU in first place, through the RGB system, and you don't need an additional source of instability in first place). The same goes for FText. All this is already run through the RTG System in first place, no patch needed - and not exactly helping either. I don't know what BlazeWCP is, but it falls probably into the same category.  CopyMem060 is most likely not helping, only damaging a perfectly fine copy. Besides, how much software are you aware of that copies huge amounts of memory around so that this would create a measurable difference?  Seriously, the 060 should - out of the box - reach approximately twice the speed of the 040. If it does not, none of the above programs will help either. Something is then seriously wrong, for example the CPU caches are off. (No, the *CPU* command does not help here. It is the processor library, i.e. the 68060.library that is then not loaded. The CPU command is a legacy program that has not been updated and that does not support the 68060.).