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Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:05:33 PM »
Hi all!

I am going to make myself a set of customized wb 3.1 install disks.
What I plan to do is to make copies of my 3.1 disks, and copy the needed files from the 3.9 CD to add support for big HD's. And then use blizkick to softkick a 3.9 rom image.

What files would I need to copy?
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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 04:24:24 PM »
For 3.1, you're probably better off using TD64. Use it to patch FastFileSystem and Info on the disk, and use HDInstTools instead of HDToolbox.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 04:27:18 PM »
I guess that fastfilesystem, but I think devices need to be "patched" to support 64bit so you'll probably need the devs:amigaos-rom-update, the file with the configuration of those devices and c:setpatch

I guess that you could also use TD64.

If I remember correctly before OS3.5 Amiga Inc a small update for fastfilesystem and setpatch that was supposed to allow you to use >4GB.
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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 04:41:03 PM »
Yes, you could extract modules from the 3.9 ROM update, but then you'd need to issue a reboot during bootup to get them kicked in [though I see you're using BlizKick anyway, so maybe that doesn't matter]. It also takes you into NSD territory, which requires that annoying Devs:NSDPatch.cfg file and possibly another reboot. The 3.9 HDToolbox will also need a whole mess of Reaction classes and libraries, which might get very annoying to deal with on floppy.

Bottom line: Using 3.9 modules is possible, but TD64 preserves the simplicity of a 3.1 installation.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 06:28:12 PM »

AFAIK FFSTD64 only adds support for TD64 commands to FFS, it does not remove the limits of FFS V40. I don't know these limits, but I think it can only handle 2GB partitions.

And of course it cannot remove the 8GB limit from scsi.device. Well, 8GB is twice as much as 4GB, but if you want to remove the limit completely, you have to patch scsi.device and patching scsi.device implies a reboot, no matter which patch you use.

Oh and you certainly don't need NSDPatch if scsi.device already supports NSD. NSDPatch is only needed for devices which don't support NSD on their own.

The best way to go IMHO is to use scsi.device and FFS from OS3.9. Or even SFS (which needs patched scsi.device, too).

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 05:43:24 AM »
Thanx for all replies! That will help me to get started!
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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 10:35:43 AM »
What's wrong with using just OS3.9 components? Why are you trying to use obsolete components from OS3.1 with OS3.9? This seems pointless and a recipe for instability. Go OS3.9 only, is my advice.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 02:59:01 AM »
3.9 sucks.
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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 03:04:26 AM »
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spotUP wrote:
3.9 sucks.


What makes you say that? I have a 3.1 system I'm planning to upgrade to 3.9 soon. 3.9 looks like it has many new useful things. I've never heard anyone say that it sucks and 3.1 is better.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007, 12:18:50 PM »
No, it is a vast leap over 3.1, I would rather switch platforms than go back to 3.1.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2007, 06:39:00 AM »
That's why I asked the poster why he thinks it sucks. I've never heard anyone say that before. I havent ever used 3.9 yet (3.1 is the newest I've used) but it looks like it has many more features.

Are there any backwards compatibility issues with 3.9 (other than requiring 3.1 ROMs)? Do any programs or hardware not work with 3.9? I have an A1200 accelerator (CSA 12 Gauge) which I hear has some issues with 3.9, but I'm not using it in the machine that will get the upgrade (and I think the problems are a minor thing that only affect the craptastic non-DMA SCSI on the CSA).

Is there some kind of design change that bugs you (the person saying it sucks)? Do you just not like it because its a post-Commodore OS and not "authentic"? I'm really curious.

I likely will install 3.9 anyway on the one machine with new enough ROMs, but I'm wondering why someone would prefer 3.1 to 3.9.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 07:26:49 AM »
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I likely will install 3.9 anyway on the one machine with new enough ROMs, but I'm wondering why someone would prefer 3.1 to 3.9.


There might be compatibility issues - my 3.9 install didn't work with WHDLoad so I had another boot partition with clean 3.1.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 11:45:55 PM »
Hi

I have a very interesting set of disks here, I shall list them:

3.1 Amiga Developers Update: Disk 1 of 5 : Docs
Instustion ( spelt that way ), Contents, AutoDocs
and Tutorials.
Ditto Disk 2 of 5 Includes Files, Libs, FD's, SetPatch Tools
Ditto Disk 3 of 5 Examples 1 Libraries Compatibility and PCMCIA
Ditto Disk 4 of 5 Examples 2 IFF DataTypes AmigaGuide
Ditto Disk 5 of 5 Software Toolkit: Tools for debugging and development.
All Copyright 1985-93 Commodore Amiga Inc
Plus
ISO 9660 Tools V1.04x June 1993 1991-93 Commodore Int'l Services Corp
CDGS Support 40.60 CD32 Support Confidential Do Not Duplicate October 1993 Commodore Amiga Inc
CDXL Toolkit 5th March 1992 Preliminary and Confidential Copyright 1992 Commodore Amiga Inc
CDXL Examples "Sound on Sound " v1.1 Example 5th March 1992 Preliminary and Confidentail Copyright 1992.

All these disks are official Commodore disks.

Not your run of the mill 3.1 disks... I think they represent 3.1 in development and were actually released to the guys at Commodore.

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 03:46:12 AM »
Neat find... you try to install it and see what you end up with? If nothing else, what kind of internal version number does it give. I'd be curious if theres anything worthwhile on it that isn't in the published 3.1 OS.

Wonder what the rules on making copies of these are.
 

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Re: Need some expert 3.1/3.9 advice, making custom 3.1 disks
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 08:41:42 AM »
Hi

The historical significance of these disks are such that I just had to make my own copies. I believe what we are looking at here are early versions of the 3.1 OS to give Commodore a chance to test bed against various applications. There is some question as to what extent Commodore released 3.1, and given the ROM upgrade I would suggest it only natural that they test the software to a much wider audience. As to making further copies of these disks available I may be persuaded to put them on the website, if there was sufficient argument for doing so. Otherwise such valuable information could be lost forever. Purely for historical purposes.

If someone has Mr Haynie's email address maybe someone could ask him what the disks are.

I'll list out what is on each disk. The disks were in a batch of serious software disks along with SASC 6.50 Disks 1 to 6 and the 6.55 Patch Disks 1 and 2.

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