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Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« on: April 21, 2007, 06:42:21 PM »
Hi to everybody and always thank you for your kind answers! :-)

Now I have a very crazy dream... is it possible to connect my beloved A1000 in my intranet, possibly with WiFi (like my A1000)? :-D
If so, which HW and SW I need?

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 12:20:58 AM »
You can 'net your Miggy on 'net.

But is tricky. You'll need Miami (or other TCP/IP stack, like Genesis), a parallel network cable and software (in order to use OTHER Amiga-1200 or 4000 for server/proxy).

Also you'll need mailer (YAM is best, IMHO), a browser (I recomend Ibrowse 2.4).

But all of this is useless if you have less than 6Mb RAM and a better processor than original ones (at least a 030 one) and a sufficient screenmode (at least DBLPAL/DBLNTSC).
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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 12:32:18 AM »
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flaviosr wrote:
Hi to everybody and always thank you for your kind answers! :-)

Now I have a very crazy dream... is it possible to connect my beloved A1000 in my intranet, possibly with WiFi (like my A1000)? :-D
If so, which HW and SW I need?

Ciao and thank you


It's not a crazy dream, it can be anywhere from very easy to very hard, depending on what you are trying to accomplish. on th easy side, set up a null modem cable between the a1000 and a linux box, and use a terminal program to log in using getty. At that point you could irc, web(text), email etc.

Now if you want a graphical browser, get ready to drop some serious cash on some expensive 2nd or 3rd hand hardware. At the same time you will need to do some hacks. If you are prepared to dump some $$, I have suggestions.
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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 03:03:54 AM »
@flaviosr

It's very possible! If you just want to symbolically connect to the Internet then the parallel option works ok but of course internet access would be horrendously slow and whilst surfing "might" be possible it wouldn't be much fun!

If you have the will and the money then I'd suggest some other options to consider.

Firstly your priority should be to find a 030 accelerator card, there was a few of these specifically made for the 1000 and occasionally appear on ebay.

Next get yourself a A1000 Clock-port Adapter, available from Amigakit.com ( This will enable the use of all the clock port peripherals available for the 1200! )

It's now possible to connect a Subway USB controller to the 1000, in turn can be used with the many USB Ethernet adapters available on ebay.

There is also a rare board for the 1000 called "Phoenix"
This is basically a replacement motherboard but with a Zorro slot for graphics card like the Picasso IV.

The 1000 could definitely make a powerful little internet browsing Amiga :-)
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 03:20:20 AM »
To get tcp/ip software run on A1000, one option is to use Mlink (multilink), which can connect through the serial port to a Linux or other *nix computer. Your Amiga sofware will then use the IP-address of the host computer. It worked well (in 1995). The A1000 has a unique type of serial port, hasn't it? (Well at least the parport is.)

Lynx, the text displaying web browser was ported for the Amiga. It can also launch separate programs to view pictures.
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 04:22:19 AM »
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The A1000 has a unique type of serial port, hasn't it? (Well at least the parport is.)


The A1000's serial and parallel ports are both 25-pin D-type sockets, but the gender is reversed from what's now the standard. Rumour has it that C= took the specifications for these from IBM, but IBM changed them over prior to implementing them on the PC, or something like that... But this may be entirely incorrect!

Anyway... suffice to say, devices intended for PCs and Amigas produced after the A1000 shouldn't be plugged into the A1000 without being careful about *where* it's being plugged in, and also the type of lead and/or gender changer being used.

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P.S. As for A1000s on the web, I just have to bring up this again! :-)
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 04:57:37 AM »
The 1000 (and other models, IIRC while being lazy and not looking) puts 12v and/or 5v on the ports.  This can easily take out a device.

I always made special cables for my systems using standard PC equipment, parallel or serial, by pulling the pins which carry voltage right out of the cable end.

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 07:39:46 PM »
Bringing a pure Amiga 1000 to the net is not really possible, you have to pimp it up. :-)

If you want to use an Amiga 500 turboboard (yes this is possible) with some kind of selfmade socket extension, you have to add also a kickstart (I have a how-to, but it is only in german), because the original bootroms are to slow for a turboboard.

Here you can see an Amiga 1000 with Strombringer 030 turboboard and a kickstart selector:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?mode=viewthread&forum_id=15&thread=30

Network will be really tricky. You have to add kickstart 3.x (if you want to use Miami), a turboboard, a harddisk, the Amiga 500 Clockport from JS with a Silversurfer (JS)... now you can hope if this tower to babel still will work. :-) If it works you can make TCP/IP over nullmodem.device to your pc with 115200 baud... enought for IRC and transfering some files. This is the solution I know, maybe there are other too...

An Amiga 1000 Phoenix like the Paladin from McTrinsic is like a white unicorn:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?mode=viewthread&forum_id=15&thread=28&z=1
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 08:32:20 PM »
mmm... difficult...
I have one problem... I do not want to modify internally my beloved Amiga 1000! :-(
I added a simple clock-backup on the parallel port and I could add a sidecar or an external memory expansion or an HD but nothing internal...
Perhaps in a few days I will put my hands on an A3000 very nice (hope so)... :-)
Reading your answer, I am thinking about the solution of using the IP of another computer, using the A3000 like a server and the A1000 only as a "stupid" host... perhaps with some more memory... parallel or serial solution...
What do you think...? Easier? Possible...?
Can be done with kick+wbench 1.3 on the A1000?

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 08:50:35 PM »
So you can connect a network card to the USB-adapter connected to the clock-port?

Which USB-network card works with the Subway?
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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2007, 09:02:28 PM »
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So you can connect a network card to the USB-adapter connected to the clock-port?


Maybe, I do not know if someone has tested the Subway on the Clockport in an A1000. :-)

And for poseidon you need at least a 020 cpu and kickstart 3.x.

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Which USB-network card works with the Subway?


No idea...
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2007, 09:09:33 PM »
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I have one problem... I do not want to modify internally my beloved Amiga 1000! :-(


That could be problem. :-)

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could add a sidecar or an external memory expansion or an HD but nothing internal...


There was a turboboard, I think from Kupke/Germany, with 030 CPU, but it is very very rare.

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Perhaps in a few days I will put my hands on an A3000 very nice (hope so)... :-)


Here it is much easier to get online. :-)

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Can be done with kick+wbench 1.3 on the A1000?


This is the problem, I do not know a working TCP/IP stack for kickstart 1.3. With 1.3 you can only use a simple serial connection with a terminal programm. Transfering some files into memory or on hardisk with 38400 baud, but this is slow,  I tried it with my Amiga 1000 Big Blue.

...my one:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?mode=viewthread&forum_id=15&thread=7
 

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Re: Amiga 1000 in the web: very hard question?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2007, 09:13:04 PM »
According to Akiko there are many USB sticks that can be used with the Subway on Ebay. Great news, now it is easy and cheap to network an A500/A1000 with the clockport-adapter and Subway.
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