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AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« on: December 06, 2006, 08:18:34 PM »
...in some ways.  :-D

I thought of posting this to cheer you up a little. My friends over on the Imagine site convinced me to ditch using Imagine3D on the Amiga and use the Win version, because the speed difference is quite amazing in terms of rendering speed, even with 386/486 PCs, which blow the poor old Ami out of the water (even the fastest Amigas).

So, having a PCMCIA adaptor for a compact flash card, I thought of putting the files on the compact Flash and there was no problem doing so with the office WinME through a Brother MFC and using that to transfer the program to my IBM Thinkpad 600 running Win98se (updated sneakernet). But, to my surprise,  ;-) Win can't recognize the card! Or, at least, no Icon shows up. The preferences SAY that the card is inserted, and that it is functioning, and theres no conflict. But no Icon?? I tried different drivers too, but that didn't work. Worried that the CF perhaps wasn't working, I put it in my C= A1200 (after putting the CFR and Fat95 files in their proper places) and the CF card icon pops right up!! Isn't that a b*tch. My 1993 Amiga can handle something better than an IBM running Bill Gates' damned operating system.

If you have a clue that could help me with this, I hope you can post something. I'm out of ideas. :-?  :-)
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 08:27:39 PM »
Windows 98 was never really friendly with USB flash cards or any kind of removable media...  Usually you would have to hunt down some kind of driver initially, much like you put the Amiga 1200 with fat95 files, kinda like a driver to read them.  :-)

Chances are that Windows XP would have immediately detected it and added it.

I would just try to find the driver to that pcmcia card you are using and go from there.
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 08:28:13 PM »
Yeah, I know what you mean :-(


I've got a Sony Cybershot cam (Mass Storage Device), it
works perfectly in my Amiga, just plug it in and hey presto!, same in a Mac.
But with Winblows it's got no chance of working ever!! Winblows sucks big.



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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2006, 09:46:38 PM »
[qoute]My friends over on the Imagine site convinced me to ditch using Imagine3D on the Amiga and use the Win version, because the speed difference is quite amazing in terms of rendering speed, even with 386/486 PCs, which blow the poor old Ami out of the water (even the fastest Amigas).
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Something not right with that.  I use Imagine 5.14 optimized for PPC on my A4000T and I can assure you that it renders much, much[/b] faster than any 486 can, especially one running windoze.  Its only been the last three or four years, maybe with the Pentium4, that PCs have had any practical "real world" speed advantage over an optimized Amiga, or even a Mac -- which is nothing but an insanely priced PC with feminine color schemes.   Even the 68060 Imagine 5.17 is way faster rendering than a 486 running Windoze.  I'd guess a Pentium II might beat the 060 in a horse race, but who cares?  If the price of a modest speed increase is having to do the same work in a bullsh*t OS like windoze, I'll just bite the bullet and wait a few extra seconds for my frames to finish.  :)
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2006, 10:08:52 PM »
I hope this chears you up some, but remember that Microsoft ended support for the two windows operating systems you mention, more than a couple of years ago..

End of support for Windows 98 and Windows Me
July 11, 2006 will bring a close to Extended Support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Me as part of the Microsoft Lifecycle Policy. Microsoft will retire public and technical support, including security updates, by this date.

Existing support documents and content, however, will continue to be available through the Microsoft Support Product Solution Center Web site. This Web site will continue to host a wealth of previous How-to, Troubleshooting, and Configuration content for anyone who may need self-service.

quote from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/support/endofsupport.mspx

Microsoft is retiring support for these products because they are outdated and can expose customers to security risks. We recommend that customers who are still running Windows 98 or Windows Me upgrade to a newer, more secure Microsoft operating system, such as Windows XP, as soon as possible.

Customers who upgrade to Windows XP report improved security, richer functionality, and increased productivity.


The Amiga was always beyond it's years, but I "imagine" if you ran the 3d software on a recent PC you might be writing a different kind of post. Why do we have to always compare apples to oranges here and ancient hardware to ancient hardware of different eras..

I would much rather hear or see the stuff you are coming upwith creatively in Imagine..

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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2006, 10:22:46 PM »
Amiga OS 3.0 certainly is superior to Windows 3.0.  That's all there is to it.  :-)  This statement held as true 10 years ago as it does now.  :lol:

 

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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2006, 11:06:17 PM »
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stopthegop wrote:  
Its only been the last three or four years, maybe with the Pentium4, that PCs have had any practical "real world" speed advantage over an optimized Amiga, or even a Mac  


I think it's very sweet that you said that.  And that you actually believe it!
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2006, 11:17:04 PM »
Here's some speed comparisons that are listed on the faws website.  http://3d.faws.org/renders.php


Carte Mère   Processeur   MHz   Mémoire   Version d'Imagine   Temps   Rendu par   Commentaires
A4000   68040   25   24   Amiga 5.1   02:58:01   nasgul@faws.org   
A1200   68060   50   48   Amiga 5.1   01:04:24   denis.costils@wanadoo.fr   
ASUS TX97-E   AMD K6   233   80   Windows 1.3   00:01:40   nasgul@faws.org   
ASUS TX97-E   AMD K6   233   80   MSDos 4.0   00:09:32   nasul@faws.org   Version MSdos sous NT 4.0 grace au utilitaires exesplit.exe et Run386.exe
A1200   68030   50   8   Amiga 5.1   10:17:00   nasgul@faws.org   Boot with no startup-sequence, setpatch et lancement d'Imagine.
DFI G586IPC   Cyrix 166   166   48   Windows 1.3   00:04:20      
440FX   Pentium Pro   200   128   Windows 1.0   00:05:40   schweyts@sillage.fr   calcul sous Windows 95
440FX   Pentium Pro   200   128   Windows 1.3.5   00:01:20   schweyts@sillage.fr   calcul sous Windows 95
440FX   Pentium Pro   200   128   Windows 1.0   00:05:32   schweyts@sillage.fr   calcul sous Windows NT 4.0
440FX   Pentium Pro   200   128   Windows 1.3.5   00:01:17   schweyts@sillage.fr   calcul sous Windows NT 4.0
ASUS P2L97   Pentium II   333   128   Windows 1.3   00:00:48   denis.costils@wanadoo.fr   calcul sous Windows 95
A4000   68060/604e   50/200   66   Amiga 5.13   00:46:17   stefoni@mannys.com.br   OS3.1-CyberVision64/3d
A4000   68060   50   46   Amiga 5.13   00:51:17   mb@transmedia.de   Utilisation des libraries HSMathLibs (Aminet)
Draco   68060   50   68   Amiga 5.0   01:00:19   mb@transmedia.de   Utilisation des libraries HSMathLibs (Aminet)
PC 430VX   Pentium1   200   64   Windows 1.0   00:10:24   mb@transmedia.de   Sous W98
Asus K7M   AMD Athlon   500   128   Windows 2.12   00:00:36   dax2@club-internet.fr   Rendu sous Windows 2000 RC2
ABIT BE6   Intel PIII   600   128   Windows 2.1.3   00:00:35   tennator@ix.netcom.com   
SuperMicro PIII DME   Pentium III   866   512   Windows 2.1.3   00:00:26   todd@asylumdesignworks.com   
Abit BP6   Celeron   550   192   Windows 2.0   00:00:35   hpparvi@netti.fi   
Tyan 1836Dual   Intel P3   500   512   Windows 2.0   00:00:48   p@goransson.net   
P6LX-A+   Intel Pentium II   300   64   Windows 2.0   00:01:20   mikes@achilles.net   
EPOX 8K7A+   AMD ATHLON XP 2000+   1670   512   Windows 2.17   00:00:11   wireframe@hotmail.com

If only I had the $$ to get an optimised Ami! *sigh* Then life would be so nice. Its little problems like my PCMCIA that make me want to throw away Win and just use Amiga. As of now, i'm stuck with the good old A3000 and a cybervision64/3D without the rev 11 Buster.

Until I can get the $$ for a "newer" laptop, I'm not going to really do anything serious with IFW. I'm quite satisfied with my setup and I still have a few projects that I have to complete. So, theres no way in hell that I'm going to ditch the Ami. The speed difference isn't that important.

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or even a Mac -- which is nothing but an insanely priced PC with feminine color schemes
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 12:21:43 AM »
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As of now, i'm stuck with the good old A3000 and a cybervision64/3D without the rev 11 Buster.


Have you had any stability issues? Until very recently, my A3000 was on a rev 9 Buster with a CV64 (no 3D), Catweasel and Ethernet card and it used to crash frequently, or start up without recognising the video card, etc...

I replaced the Buster with a rev 11 and also updated the SCSI chip to the latest revision (both from Vesalia) and hey presto, no more problems and the A3K actually recognises and works with an external SCSI CD drive, which it didn't before.

Anyway... sorry for this being completely off topic!

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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 12:27:33 AM »
I am curious has anyone done a comparision of AROS (with a current machine) to A souped up Amiga Workbench 3.x machine...

Running the same software and benchmarking on different hardware would be interesting to see too.. Something like DKBTrace rendering (or whatever it's called now)..
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 01:50:50 AM »
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B00tDisk wrote:
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stopthegop wrote:  
Its only been the last three or four years, maybe with the Pentium4, that PCs have had any practical "real world" speed advantage over an optimized Amiga, or even a Mac  


I think it's very sweet that you said that.  And that you actually believe it!


B00tDisk, +1

...only been the last three or four years!

Hmm, yup.
 

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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 01:55:33 AM »
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Have you had any stability issues? Until very recently, my A3000 was on a rev 9 Buster with a CV64 (no 3D), Catweasel and Ethernet card and it used to crash frequently, or start up without recognising the video card, etc...

I replaced the Buster with a rev 11 and also updated the SCSI chip to the latest revision (both from Vesalia) and hey presto, no more problems and the A3K actually recognises and works with an external SCSI CD drive, which it didn't before.

Anyway... sorry for this being completely off topic!

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The SCSI chip too? What rev should I have in there? I run a ZIP drive, scanner, and CDRom on the stock SCSI port with no problems so far. Yeah, gotta replace the Buster with rev 11.  The one there now crashed the CGX card. I'd get the Buster chip except for some $$ problems.
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Re: AOS3.0 is more superior than Windows
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 08:05:49 PM »
I had a rev 04, now replaced with a rev 08. Interestingly, the chip is marked as "PROTO", but it works well.

The Buster rev 11 was EUR 24.90 from Vesalia, though I also notice that Software Hut has them for $29.95.

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