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[FluffyMcDeath]

Interesting.
Apparently Reagans approval rating while in office avaraged 53%

Clinton's average for his two terms was 55%.

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:
Interesting.
Apparently Reagans approval rating while in office avaraged 53%

Clinton's average for his two terms was 55%.

I think I know why... everyone changed their mind after seeing who came after. ;-) Reagan became loved in retrospect. Can you imagine replaying history, replacing Reagans years with a president we've had since? EGADS! Bush Sr? CLINTON? BUSH JR? yikes, gotta love Reagan!

Reagan is loved today much more than he was in office. Clinton I believe was liked by those who voted for him, but I think Clinton is one who's popularity lessened when he left. He was a nonstop embarassment to those that carried his line, much the same way Bush jr. became a burden of constant apologetics on the backs of Bush supporters.

Supporting bush is a burden, supporting Reagan was easy.

[Glaucus]

@T_Bone,

How old were you when Reagan was in office? I know I was rather young. I remember not thinking much about Reagan, but in those years I cared more about movies and games then I did about US politics.

However, reading some old and recent articles about Reagan, I see that there was always some contraversy with him as well. And well after Reagan left office we learned many nasty things his administration has done. Supporting Saddam and his war with Iran and all the nasty things that resulted from that would be the most famous nasty thing Reagan did, while his support for Al-Qaeda's fight with the Soviets may end up over-shadowing that in the near future.

Now, for the most part I stayed away from the Reagan discussions as of late, mostly out of respect - not to Reagan mind you, but for those on this forum who regard him so highly. I understand you're in morning and there's no point in kicking someone when he's down. But there's no point in pretending that everyone - including his political rivals - loved Reagan. For that you need a wake up call!!! :-o

Supporting bush is a burden, supporting Reagan was easy.

And believe me when I tell you I intend to make that burden as heavy as I possibly can!!! ;-) :-D

- Mike

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

EGADS! Bush Sr? CLINTON? BUSH JR?

Bush41 had a 61% approval over his term.
Bush43 is so far 62 to 63 % average.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Glaucus wrote:
I understand you're in morning and there's no point in kicking someone when he's down.

Mike, have you learned NOTHING from the conservatives? That's precisely the optimal time to be kicking someone!!

[Fade]

@ Glaucus
"And believe me when I tell you I intend to make that burden as heavy as I possibly can!"
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What burden?

A third rate opinion from someone from a second rate country.

Ha! You give yourself too much credit. You have changed no minds with your constant whining.

[KennyR]

He doesn't have to change any minds. The world hates Bush. Only some third world country somewhere in the North American continent where you even have to pay your own medical bills (pffh) still worship him.

[Fade]

@ KennyR
"somewhere in the North American continent where you even have to pay your own medical bills (pffh)"
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Yep, only in the USA. Where the average guy doesn't have to suck from the government tit.

[Glaucus]

Ha! You give yourself too much credit. You have changed no minds with your constant whining.

Perhaps, but I got you to reply! :-P

- Mike

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

Bush41 had a 61% approval over his term.
Bush43 is so far 62 to 63 % average.

Yet if you repolled TODAY, I guarantee that's changed. You'd be hard pressed to find someone giving either Bush more kudos than Reagan today.

Of course Reagan couldn't be appreciated then as much as he is now, if we had known the result of his policies beforehand, ie: no more iron curtain, it would be different.

[KennyR]

Fade wrote:
Yep, only in the USA. Where the average guy doesn't have to suck from the government tit.

Kids who do that always end up the healthiest.

[Glaucus]

Yet if you repolled TODAY, I guarantee that's changed. You'd be hard pressed to find someone giving either Bush more kudos than Reagan today.

Perhaps, but I would chalk that up to nostalgia.

- Mike

[the_leander]

KennyR wrote:

Kids who do that always end up the healthiest.

And my one month old son is living proof of that :-)

As for the "Average", I doubt the average Brit or Yank has to "suck government tit", but a goodly proportion of both countries number DO, only in this country, you can do a little better then simply survive. Oh and if you get seriously (note that first part *seriously*) sick you don't have to go into debt for 3 or 4 generations to get better (if you're on that low edge of the scale)...

the NHS is far from perfect, but I'd not be here today without it. Indeed, I'd not be here twice over without its existance. So don't even bother trying to kick off about waiting lists - if you need an opp on the day you're rushed in, you get that treatment period (or twice over in my case).

[Fade]

@ the_Leander
"So don't even bother trying to kick off about waiting lists - if you need an opp on the day you're rushed in, you get that treatment period (or twice over in my case)."
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I take it you don't want to discuss the thousands in the waiting lines, that don't get the immediate treatment they need while their illness is not so serious, thus requiring them to later be rushed to emergency surgery to save their lives.
US hospitals are full of Canadians and Europeans that think they can't afford to wait on their government medical tit.

[the_leander]

Fade wrote:
@ the_Leander
"So don't even bother trying to kick off about waiting lists - if you need an opp on the day you're rushed in, you get that treatment period (or twice over in my case)."
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I take it you don't want to discuss the thousands in the waiting lines, that don't get the immediate treatment they need while their illness is not so serious, thus requiring them to later be rushed to emergency surgery to save their lives.
US hospitals are full of Canadians and Europeans that think they can't afford to wait on their government medical tit.

No more then you wish to discus the thousands in the US unable to afford life saving opps because they can't afford the medical insurance to cover it and cannot afford to cover the cost of the opp on their own back aparently.

As I said, the NHS isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (the french and german systems are better, but they don't half pay for it...), but I'd rather have it then have a purely private care system (as in the US). In the situations I was in at the times of needing my opps, I (and my family for that matter) would not have been able to afford such healthcare and was not in the line of work that would have offered that sort of health care insurance. I would either now be in greater debt then if I'd gone to a british university, or more probably dead.

Thats not even including the times as a kid I had Scarlet Fever, Rubela and other equally nasty deseases and required medical help in order to survive.

Come to think of it, I'd have not even made it to being a toddler were it not for a Nationalised Health Service of one sort or another.

What can I say, I'm here thanks to our NHS, pure and simple.

I know you consider such things to be a product of commies thinking, but quite frankly in this day and age, can you really afford not to have at the very least basic state funded healthcare for the less well off in society?