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[cecilia]

kenny: that's why elsewhere I posted this link:
http://democrats.com/view.cfm?id=13544

I think Ron Jr has a fairly good grasp of his father. Reagan was a charming person - gotta give him that - and as I posted elsewhere he knew how to speak well. So, even though he dropped the ball on things like Star Wars and Aids, etc, I can't hate him. not really.
(Altho, as we all know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions)

Bush, on the other hand is so stupid I always want to bit.ch slap him!

[redrumloa]

KennyR wrote:
Oh come on Jim, that's the 80s legacy - greed is God. A lot of people got really rich, more people would get poor.

But then again, maybe I'm wasting my breath. Poverty in most of Florida is not being to able to buy a hummer.

1) I remember the 70's and the total dispair the country was in. The Carter administration was a total disaster. FACT.
2) The country on a whole saw an enormous economic boost with the Regan administration. The "poor" people post Regan certainly have a much higher standard of living than the "poor" people pre Regan. FACT
3) There is nearly 1000 miles from one tip of FL to the other. There are pockets wealthy communities, just like every other state in the union. I live in South Florida in a lower-middle class neighborhood. Not a single Hummer in sight. FACT

Really Kenny you are sounding silly.

[zudobug]

Yeah sure, ignore his very dubious foreign policy and he seems like a nice guy!

In 1980, after Saddam had invaded Iran, Reagan sent big Donny R over to Baghdad to provide support... Remember, this is after Saddam had gased the Kurds. Oh, and he had been supporting Iran all along.

So Reagan supported Saddam while he was doing all those terrible things he did which served as a reason for us to go to war when all other reasons turned out to be a crock.

What else... oh that's right...

The Russians used to occupy Afghanistan, although they were being forced out by a rebellion. Rather late in the game, Reagan supplied cash, weaponry and training to this rebellion in-order to gain control. Much of this was misused. And we all know who emerged with power and support supplied by the US. Osama!

So ta for that Reagan. What a guy!

-zudo

[MAD]

Hoya!

Hum...

Funnily enough, my homage to the 60th Anniversary of D-Day got NO response.

After all, Reagan was American... And so were many GIs...

Be funky

M A D

[cecilia]

Funnily enough, my homage to the 60th Anniversary of D-Day got NO response.

i read it and wanted to write someting but it choked me up and i didn't know what i could say that you hadn't already put down.

don't think i didn't approve.

thank you for posting it.

[cecilia]

Bush's Campaigns seize on Reagan's legacy
others may disagree but I feel like this is another example of poor taste. :-(

[Speelgoedmannetje]

cecilia wrote:
Bush's Campaigns seize on Reagan's legacy
others may disagree but I feel like this is another example of poor taste. :-(

[T_Bone]

cecilia wrote:
Bush's Campaigns seize on Reagan's legacy
others may disagree but I feel like this is another example of poor taste. :-(

I don't know about poor taste, but it's a bit arrogant for Bush to think he's anything close to following in Reagans footsteps. We haven't had a candidate in the same league run for office since Goldwater.

[Wilse]

"Bush has long sought to portray himself as Reagan's ideological
heir.."

WHAT? :-?

I was no great fan of old Ronnie but Chimperoonie makes him
look saintly.

Despite Mr. Reagan's shortcomings, I never once thought he came across
as an arrogant ignoramus.

Bush isn't fit to wipe Ronnie's erse.

And I agree with cecilia - poor taste into the bargain.

[zudobug]

What's the problem with comparing Bush and Reagan? Both war criminals. Both puppets. The same people pulling all the strings in the background.

Why are people so convinced this was such a great man..? I mean aside from the fact that the BBC has been saying nothing else since he died... Ah well.

Reagan was better at delivering the lies and convincing Americans they were better off, when in fact they were not (well, the poor were not.)

Here's a rather good interview with... Noam Chomsky (he's been very busy lately!) about the man.

Noam Chomsky on Reagan's Legacy: Bush Has Resurrected "The Most Extremist, Arrogant, Violent and Dangerous Elements" of Reagan's White House [Democracy Now!]

-zudo

[zudobug]

Ah, the medialens editors have put together an excellent article about the coverage in the news, and a history of Reagan's foreign policy (part one.) I beg everyone to read it.

http://www.medialens.org/blog/index.htm

ta,

-zudo

[MAD]

Hoya!

@ceclia

Ok sweetheart.

/me , inspite of the subject being serious, imagines cecilia, huh... CHOKING on something!

OK, it is poor taste, sorry, just couldn't resist (and I will not up the level of guys with this one... ;-))

Be funky

M A D

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

I don't know about poor taste, but it's a bit arrogant for Bush to think he's anything close to following in Reagans footsteps.

This remined me of something Cheney said to Bush when they were talking about the tax-breaks for investors. Bush said what about the deficit, or some such, and Cheney replied "Reagan prooved deficits don't matter!".

Anyway, I'd like to quote a little tribute from my local newspaper.

--
Recently deceased ex-U.S. president Ronnie Reagan may have had a way with words and the camera, but all the glowing media coverage over his legacy is enough to make us heave our Cheerios. A charming personality can't gloss over many idiotic decisions -- greenlighting an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the early 1980's, introducing the wasteful Star Wars program, promoting dubious economic philosophies, bashing unions, selling arms to Iranian mullahs, lying about it and then using the profits to fuel the war in Nicaragua, then turning around and selling weapons to Saddam Hussein to use against Iran. The list is endless. Then there is his choice of wives -- but we won't go there. We'll just say no to nastiness.
--

And don't forget that Ronnie created Osama. That happened under his watch too.

[zudobug]

Yeah, right on!

I have just read another good article for the list (I hope people are reading all these ;-) )

John Pilger denounces the liberal press (yes, NStoo) [New Statesman]

(people easily upset look away...)

In its attacks on Nicaragua, Reagan's "contra" forces specialised in slitting the throats of midwives and children as they slept. In charge of this terrorism was John Negroponte, US ambassador to Honduras, who, reported the Baltimore Sun, created and directed a military unit that used "shock and suffocation devices in interrogations. Prisoners often were kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked graves". George W Bush has just appointed Negroponte as the first American "ambassador" to "liberated" Iraq.

Makes me feel sick.

-zudo

[redrumloa]

Baaaaaah you all are just jealous that Regan was an American, and no one knows or cares who's in power in your country;-)