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[Speelgoedmannetje]

As I said, I didn't have studied Communism thoroughly.

You're using useless details to throw sand in the eyes (I noticed it's a habit of rightwingers, I once saw a rightwinger called Balkenende repeating himself up to 6 times in a row :-o and he was lambasted by a rightwinger who lead the meeting).

Btw, it's not about what Marx wrote exactly, it's about a flag ppl use in 3rd world countries to fight against western supremacy.

[Thellenbow]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
As I said, I didn't have studied Communism thoroughly.

You're using useless details to throw sand in the eyes (I noticed it's a habit of rightwingers, I once saw a rightwinger called Balkenende repeating himself up to 6 times in a row :-o and he was lambasted by a rightwinger who lead the meeting).

Btw, it's not about what Marx wrote exactly, it's about a flag ppl use in 3rd world countries to fight against western supremacy.

OK, OK you win. Communism is the wave of the future. Why, it has shown to be the best ideology every put into practice. I mean, look at the Chinese and what they are doing with it. Let's not forget about the USS.. I mean Russia. And then there is Zimbabwe, the people there are all excited about how go old Rob is transforming the place for the better. Go Rob go.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

man, 'infantile' is an understatement for this kind of reply.

[swift240]

Hewy let me tell you some thing that actualy happened about 7 months ago.
Two JW came to my door one male one female, (o.k not a problem I thought)
I will listen to them if they will listem to me, thats fair? Right?
Well any way I said to the one guy, "Who did God make first the Human Race or Adam and Eve?"
They both said at the same time "Ohhhhh Adam and Eve of course"
Haaaa got you by the balls I thought.
WRONG I said, God made the Human Race first then Adam and Eve afterwards, I continued, look into your book, you know the one that tells you the TRUTH.
They both did and said "Ohhh well, erm, we are just.... well... we shall pop back again"
I ended up saying to them, "Look dont talk to me about any of it until you get your facts right first, and go tell the person that told you God made Adam and Eve is, WRONG....."

Well they didnt come back............now why is that do you think?

Mike....

[Thellenbow]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
man, 'infantile' is an understatement for this kind of reply.

Listen, if you tell that when I give a clear example of why I say that communism is a flawed ideology, and you say I am just using details “to throw sand in the eyes,” how can we have a logical debate on the issue. Besides, the point I wanted to make is that communism is just like a religion. Instead of insisting that God exist, it insist that God does not exist. Like a religion, it cannot prove this point, it has to be accepted on faith. One cannot prove whether God does or does not exist, however one cannot prove love exist either. :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Communism has little to do with faith in god or not. It only stated that religion is opium of the people (and this religion can be as dangerous as opium).
Communism was by many 3rd world countries beseen as a tool to get rid of the western dominance, and the west abused on a very large scale and still abuses the third world.

Communism could indeed be defined as a religion, but in that case, the dollar is also a religion. But I rather define it as a tool.

And for that existin/non-existing: with science, you have to prove that it exists, otherwise you can say any kind of bollocks.

[Thellenbow]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Communism has little to do with faith in god or not. It only stated that religion is opium of the people (and this religion can be as dangerous as opium).
Communism was by many 3rd world countries beseen as a tool to get rid of the western dominance, and the west abused on a very large scale and still abuses the third world.

Communism could indeed be defined as a religion, but in that case, the dollar is also a religion. But I rather define it as a tool.

And for that existin/non-existing: with science, you have to prove that it exists, otherwise you can say any kind of bollocks.

Can you prove love exists? Or your conscience? Can you show it in a laboratory? When you speak of the western world it seems you think only it is evil. Evil is not geographic or racial or cultural or ethnic. Yes, the western powers did do evil in the world, but they also did some good. Don't be romantic about the developing world either, there is good and evil there too. Good and evil are within each of us. None of us are pure, one way or the other. Even Hitler had some good in him somewhere. (But I would be hard pressed to find it.) :-o

[Speelgoedmannetje]

The west was able to slaughter men on an industrial scale in the beginning of the 20th century. They did not use that ability for humanitarian purposes. For instance, the Belgian king slaughtered 20 million ppl in the Congo.
I know there would be war over there if we did not conquered it. But at least there would be a social structure, wich WE blew up, alike the Romans blew up the Celtic and German (any historian who exactly knows the difference between these two?) social structure and unleashed the medieval times unto the west.

With a LOT of war and extreme viciousness, social structures will arise from their ashes.
But with globalization, we do not give them ANY chance to rise from their ashes.

And one of these (and for the 3rd world convincing) social structures would be Communism. Social structures are built up of trust, reliability, and justice for all.

oh, and btw.

Can you prove love exists? Or your conscience? Can you show it in a laboratory?

of course you can, it's mixtures of hormons and little amounts of neurochemical drugs like endorphin.

Communism is not a threat to the West anyomore. Islam has taken over the duty of keeping Capitalist/Western ideals on their toes.

Once Islam is crushed, we will have a new enemy. Probablly Black Panthers or something

[Speelgoedmannetje]

JonoPike wrote:
Once Islam is crushed, we will have a new enemy. Probably Black Panthers or something

By then, WE are the biggest enemy of ourselves, most probably. (or, actually, we already are, with globalization)

[T_Bone]

JonoPike wrote:
Communism is not a threat to the West anyomore. Islam has taken over the duty of keeping Capitalist/Western ideals on their toes.

Once Islam is crushed, we will have a new enemy. Probablly Black Panthers or something

The black panthers shouldn't be taken seriously enough to be considered a potential enemy. It's quite embarassing actually, that their own demands contradict each other...

http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm

[whabang]

Once Islam is crushed

Eh?
Crushing Islam wouldn't be as easy eas invading a few countries, you know! Islam is a world religion. I don't know how many muslims there is in the world, but there's plenty of them.
Try crushing "christianity" one day, and you'll get my point.

[T_Bone]

whabang wrote:

Eh?
Crushing Islam wouldn't be as easy eas invading a few countries, you know! Islam is a world religion. I don't know how many muslims there is in the world, but there's plenty of them.
Try crushing "christianity" one day, and you'll get my point.

Crushing a religion is quite easy actually, the trick is, don't attempt to eliminate it, change it from the inside through rebellion or aposticy, like the prodestants etc...

It's easier to steer a moving car where you want it than standing in front of it yelling at it to stop.

For examples of how to do this, look at the recruiting tactics of many current mission oriented religions, they specialise in this sort of thing (although from the outside, use the same tactics from the inside, and you're in like Flynn)