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Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« on: January 09, 2003, 06:59:33 PM »
I read this article while browsing for news about the AmigaOne / Pegasos. osOpinion link...
Thought about it for a while. How many of you would really use a pirated version of AOS4? I know i wouldn't because i want to be supportive to the Amiga community. But i guess i do not represent the Amiga community, as i just recently bought a Peg. (ATTENTION everyone, NOT trying to light the flame wars again...) but does that really matter, just as other POP owners might wanna use AOS4 on their PPC-Boards...
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2003, 07:16:59 PM »
yep the article makes sense..I wouldnt pirate OS4 either.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2003, 07:24:18 PM »
@ple3003
 
The Aone/Pegasos are not POP.

And what you said about Aos4 could be turned on its head & said about MOS.

MOS only runs on Pegasos & Amiga PPC cards

AOS4 only runs on Aone & Amiga PPC cards.
 
Until either run on Hardware that is not there own Both are as closed as each other.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2003, 07:35:37 PM »
The ways of Amiga inc. are truly strange.

I suppose they must have a bigger purpose, but what it is is difficult to understand (for me, anyway).

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2003, 07:37:36 PM »
That article is serious flamebait.  It's like going into comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and asking "what makes the Amiga so special".

It may be a sucky idea to some people that dongle'izing the A1 hardware so that OS4 won't run on non-official Amiga hardware, but at the end of the day, Apple made the same kind of decision (stopping the Mac clone market), which may have been for better or worse for it.  Yes, it would be more convenient for consumers to have a greater choice, but [generally, heh :-)] business produce products to make money.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2003, 07:37:52 PM »
@alkemyst
You got me there...

But i think you understand my arguments thoug.
Of course i want MOS to run on A1 bords as well.
Did you by the way check out the barbie ppc-board?
If not - Barbie POP
Dual Gigabit LAN, IDE-RAID and all of that! like it :-D
The downside is probably no MOS/AOS4 to go with it. doh!
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2003, 07:43:52 PM »
Another thing - the Amiga community [generally] have got used to the idea of supporting companies/products by paying for them, but would the Amiga community have had this opinion if Commodore had continued success to the present day?

Helping a company whose products you like survive, because you know they need all the money they can get is one thing.  Helping a company who haven't had those kinds of problems so badly with your money isn't such a high priority though, is it?

NB: I would pay for Amiga software if I used it for >30 days and liked it.  Which I have done :-)
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2003, 07:47:51 PM »
People keep on about the OS4 dongle, but when you think about it, even without the "dongle code" OS4 is still tied to certain hardware. How? Drivers.

When you think about it, the only reason Windows appears to be able to run on any X86 board is because Windows has basic drivers for most motherboard hardware, ether by themselfes or supplied by the H/W manufacture.

Unless someone makes a board that is identical in everyway to Eytech's AmigaONE, OS4 still wouldn't run on it. Unless either they make the drivers or Hyperion do.

I am not saying the dongle is a good idea or a bad one (although I do think companies do have a right to protect their time and effort), but given the very few PPC mobos around at the moment (that average Joe can buy) it is hardly worth worrying about. And as someone said, Apple seem to be doing resonable well in a closed h/w market, why can't we too? Time will tell. ;-)
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2003, 07:50:59 PM »
Yeah, well, I'm sure most of us wouldn't pirate any Amiga software at all, yet to say it doesn't happen would be naive.

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2003, 08:09:48 PM »
@Alke - myst

You fail to mention however that A - Inc's dongle
is primarily what prevents OS4 from operating on the
Pegasos, and they are the ones forcing a license. It's not
exactly an even comparison, but I do understand your
reasoning.

The drivers wouldn't be as much of an issue, IMO.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2003, 08:24:41 PM »
I think some people are mixing things:

1-.The AmigaOne isn`t closed at all,hence you can run linux on it.
   Also you can buy one without OS4,on wich you can run whatever you
   want as long as it is supported.
2-.The "dongled one "really is the OS4,that you cannot run if you not
buys one AmigaOne,unless you buy another specific version like Cyberstorm one.
if you want to run OS4 then you need a cyberstorm Amiga or AmigaOne PPC board;
(maybe a pegasos/other ppc boards in the future).That is you Buy OS4 with AmigaOne,
not AmigaOne with OS4.
my point of view.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2003, 09:08:43 PM »
@ D

You fail to see that its not just what you see.

As MOS does not run on the Aone yet either.

The primarily reason is Genesi.

so for Aos4 not running on Pegasos its the license.

For MOS not running on Aone its Genesi.

Different methods same out come.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2003, 09:22:02 PM »
 i (we) cant wait for os4!!!

 pros to buying and not stealing:

1.you support the developer and encourage future effort

2.registered users recieve cheap/free upgrades/date

3.meddled-with software becomes burdened unstable unreliable (especially ignorant/amature cracks)

these are only the selfish reasons- all besides the fact that it is wrong and appropriately punishable by law
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2003, 09:34:42 PM »
MOS/Genesi aside... if AOS where released to run on any POP based boards... it'd run on Barbie and the Pegasos... and we'd have more choices 'US" the consumers would... wich would be better... I would buy a Barbie or a Pegasos and use that with AOS4..and be happy... as is I'll stick to MOS on the Pegasos.. they totally lost customers who dont want to buy the A1... like me...I dont want the A1 to me it looks shoddy (my opinon) and I dont want to spend good money on a shoddy board I could get cheaper in exactly the same form without their rom... hopefully MOS will make its way onto barbie and we will have even more hardware (we bieng the MOS users)..

if/when later incarnations of the AmigaOne come out that look (in my opinon) comparable to barbie/pegasos then I'll get one. and run AOS4...
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2003, 10:12:26 PM »
There is NO POP board to buy for home use.

So it dont matter if its MOS or Aos4.

None will run on just any mobo with out drivers & new Hal.

There is no standard PPC platform yet.

This not PC land where a standard has been set.

HO  & why is it always Genesi/MOS aside with you.
Maybe cos you bought a Pegasos/MOS.
They can do what they want cos you bought from them.

But Aos4 has to go by your rules.

You dont ask for MOS to run on all PPC mobo's
You dont ask for MOSx86.

But you ask the other side Aos4 to take all the risk.

If Aos4 fails by talking all the risks at least you got MOS to fall back on.
You dont want MOS that you bought to take a risk.

& how many times have you been told this Mips_Proc.
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