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Offline AltRN8Topic starter

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Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« on: December 20, 2017, 12:34:29 AM »
I've read a bunch about people successfully overclocking 16Mhz A3000 to 25Mhz and I want to give it a try. What I don't know is what the exact type of oscillator is used in the A3000. I know I need 50Mhz one but I'm not sure what pinning I need.

Can anyone point me to a compatible one?

Anyone who has done this change did you socket the oscillator?

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2017, 01:05:44 AM »
Not recommended, as you could damage the built-in CPU/FPU. If you want it faster, you should seek out a 3640 (or 3660 now).
 

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2017, 01:23:00 AM »
I have a A3640. I want to do this to get around the issue of the 16Mhz not working well with ZII boards as I am trying to run AMIX with an A2410. Only option is to up to 25Mhz to avoid the bug as AMIX won't run on the A3640.
 

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2017, 01:23:59 AM »
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Not recommended, as you could damage the built-in CPU/FPU. If you want it faster, you should seek out a 3640 (or 3660 now).


It can be done.  My 16 is OC'd to 25.  I have a socket to switch the oscillator back to the original one, and, I have a large heatsink and fan on the CPU and FPU.

HOWEVER, I also have a CPU card in this computer.  I HAD to OC the motherboard because X-Surf-100 card requires that you have a Buster-11 chip. The problem with Buster-11 is that it does not work properly at 16MHz, as it was designed for 25MHz.  (this was all explained to me by Jens Schoenfeld, so, I take it to be correct).  It was true for me, because my x-surf-100 would NOT work on my 16MHz A3000.  Even when jumpered into Z-2 mode.  I sent it back to Jens in Germany, and, it tested good there, until he tried it on his stock A3000/16.  He told me the only solution was to OC the motherboard to get it to work right (or buy another A3000 @ 25 MHz), EVEN THOUGH I HAD A CYBERSTORM MK2 in the computer already, with an 040 @ 40MHz!  Well, once this modification was made, everything worked correctly.  

So, yes, OC'ing even with a CPU card present will likely be necessary if you plan to purchase an X-Surf-100 card for this computer in the future.
-/- A500 & ACA500 & ACA1233n -/- A500 Tower & VAMPiRE II 500+ -/- A2000 & BLiZZARD 2060 -/- A3000 & CYBERSTORM MKII 040 -/- A1200 & BLiZZARD 1230 MK IV -/- A1200 & BLiZZARD 1260 -/- A4000 & 3640 -/-
 

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 02:27:42 PM »
When I get home this PM, I'll take a look at which OSC was used, and post a pic for you.
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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2017, 10:38:51 PM »
Thanks much! I regret selling my 25Mhz A3000 years ago. When I purchased this one, it came with an A3640, so I never thought about the motherboard itself. I'd love to see pictures of the heatsink and fans you are using as well.
 

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2017, 12:51:32 PM »
Thanks for the picture. Did you use a normal DIL14 socket or one with longer legs?
 

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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2017, 02:19:52 PM »
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Thanks for the picture. Did you use a normal DIL14 socket or one with longer legs?


I am not sure.  I had Acill do the modification for me a year or so ago, and don't know specifically what kind of socket it has.  If I had to guess, it's a normal DIL14.
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Re: Overclock A3000 16Mhz to 25Mhz
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2017, 08:08:06 PM »
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The problem with Buster-11 is that it does not work properly at 16MHz, as it was designed for 25MHz.  (this was all explained to me by Jens Schoenfeld, so, I take it to be correct).

He may have drawn that conclusion from the evidence, but I don't know if anyone knows if it's true that commodore purposefully designed buster 11 to only work at 25mhz.

Knowing how commodore worked they may have designed it to work with 16mhz and 25mhz, but cocked it up and it only works at 25mhz. Whether they remembered to test it at 16mhz before shipping it or not.

Dave Haynie didn't think it was purposefully decided to ignore 16mhz machines.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/comp.sys.amiga.misc/uFz4TBMLG58/f_aShADB0P8J
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