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Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« on: November 04, 2017, 12:53:01 PM »
Hello,

I am using a Rev. 6A with a Gotek floppy drive.
I have connected the Vampyre and everything seems ok, apart that some "old" games do not start... but I supposed this is a "minor" compatibility issue (Startglider, Defender of the crown and many others are ok!)
I then connected a two position 44pin cable with a CF and a slim CD-ROM everything seems ok. CF on the first connector as master and CD-ROM on the second connector as low (slave).
I have installed OS3.1 from the Gotek and now I am trying to install OS3.9 but... some programs from the CD do not start! I can see the CD and I can even copy it all on the CF.
Most of the programs are ok but, for example, I cannot start the Installer from the CD (and so I cannot start the setup program).
I had also some problems when I copied some programs (AmiCDROM, LHA) with a "true" floppy, using an A1010.
I was able to copy all of them but some did not work. I tried to RENAME some and then they worked!!! For example I was not able to decompress "Installer-43_3.lha" but it was ok when renamed INST.LHA.
In other cases this trick did not worked.
I haven't done extensive tests to see if there are some rules...
I initially supposed this was related to the fact I was using a DOS 720 kb formatted floppy drive to transfer files... but then I arrived to issue of the CD-ROM!

Can somebody help?

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2017, 02:34:15 PM »
I don't have a A500.  I have my Vampire in a A2000 so so far things have been fine (not experienced your issue).

If you have a 32G SanDisk CF card, I find using the https://apolloos.weebly.com/ builds very easy.  They are prebuit with OS3.9 and have the updates you need.  Just a thought.
 

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2017, 02:43:03 PM »
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I don't have a A500.  I have my Vampire in a A2000 so so far things have been fine (not experienced your issue).

If you have a 32G SanDisk CF card, I find using the https://apolloos.weebly.com/ builds very easy.  They are prebuit with OS3.9 and have the updates you need.  Just a thought.

 So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we? Some things in Amiga-land never change. If you're going to download ApolloOS (an unlicensed OS3.9 build adapted/optimised for use with Vampire boards) then at least buy the OS3.9 CD-Rom as well:

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 03:02:08 PM »
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So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we?


No, I purchased my OS 3.9 CD, MUI license, Roadshow license (I even verified with apc-tcp how many computers 1 license covers, answer 2, which is great as I have 2 vampires (600/500)), and such.  When I find something that is pre-installed that I use/want to use, I purchase it.  I'm hoping to eventually use his build, strip out the stuff I don't need/want, apply my licenses and then create a new image for my use.

What I am promoting is a shortcut for troubleshooting and testing.  Why go through all kinds of trouble with fresh installs, and patches, when that work is done for you.  Would I prefer a version that is stripped down, sure, but at least this is a quick way to test things are physically working.  Once you know that you can poke around find what is missing on your setup, and fix it.

Hope that adds some clarity.
 

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 03:10:39 PM »
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No, I purchased my OS 3.9 CD, MUI license, Roadshow license (I even verified with apc-tcp how many computers 1 license covers, answer 2, which is great as I have 2 vampires (600/500)), and such.  When I find something that is pre-installed that I use/want to use, I purchase it.  I'm hoping to eventually use his build, strip out the stuff I don't need/want, apply my licenses and then create a new image for my use.

What I am promoting is a shortcut for troubleshooting and testing.  Why go through all kinds of trouble with fresh installs, and patches, when that work is done for you.  Would I prefer a version that is stripped down, sure, but at least this is a quick way to test things are physically working.  Once you know that you can poke around find what is missing on your setup, and fix it.

Hope that adds some clarity.


If you are trying to use a CF adapter and a CD-ROM drive off the Vampire its not supported and you are darn lucky to have got as far as you have. Since you have all the stuff you need for 3.9 paid for get that ApolloOS build and follow the instructions for installing it onto a 32GB disk. Its well worth it. Everything you will ever want it to do is setup and ready to go once you boot it.
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 04:04:56 PM »
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So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we? Some things in Amiga-land never change. If you're going to download ApolloOS (an unlicensed OS3.9 build adapted/optimised for use with Vampire boards) then at least buy the OS3.9 CD-Rom as well

At least with OS3.1 there are still bugs being fixed and enhancements done (by either Hyperion or Cloanto), but for all intents and purposes, OS3.9 is dead.
There's no reason to pay for abandon-ware, there's nobody left to even enforce OS3.5/9 copyrights.
 

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 04:16:51 PM »
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At least with OS3.1 there are still bugs being fixed and enhancements done (by either Hyperion or Cloanto), but for all intents and purposes, OS3.9 is dead.
There's no reason to pay for abandon-ware, there's nobody left to even enforce OS3.5/9 copyrights.

Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales?  Where does the money go?  ;)
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 04:52:14 PM »
@flaviosr

I did go trough all the trouble of building my own OS3.9 vampire install.
But since connecting or even having a CD ROM player connected to my A600 was too much trouble and a hassle for me to even try.
I did my base OS3.1 and then OS3.9 install in WinUAE.
So after I installed OS3.9 with BB1+BB2 via WinUAE i moved the CF to the A600 so I could setup a network connection and download whatever i need.
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2017, 07:39:43 PM »
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Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales?  Where does the money go?


And equally intriguing: do H&P still maintain the right to produce and sell/support the distribution?
 

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 08:04:26 PM »
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Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales?  Where does the money go?  ;)

Why does that matter? Frankly, this material is proprietary, so it's not you and me who have to decide this. If you want it, buy it, as simple as it is.

And just to answer another question: In my contract, I got some (minor) revenues for two years, then the contract run out. But that does still not justify piracy.
 

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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 10:36:48 PM »
So who's in San Fran and can kick in doors at Weebly, lol
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 04:55:03 PM »
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@flaviosr

I did go trough all the trouble of building my own OS3.9 vampire install.
But since connecting or even having a CD ROM player connected to my A600 was too much trouble and a hassle for me to even try.
I did my base OS3.1 and then OS3.9 install in WinUAE.
So after I installed OS3.9 with BB1+BB2 via WinUAE i moved the CF to the A600 so I could setup a network connection and download whatever i need.


Making a small summary:
° IT IS possible to connect two IDE devices (in my case a CF and a CD-ROM slim);
° Apollo is not anyway supporting this solution and there could be some issues (and I have personally seen them).

Open streets and things to do/test:
° I am so bringing outside the case the IDE through an external CF reader and the micro SD through an extender cable connected to a SD reader (hoping to have in the future a good support of the microSD);
° are IDE splitters supported by Vampire? I was thinking about using one:
  1. primary line => primary HD (the famous CF)
  2. secondary line => the CD-ROM + generic CF reader (to move big amount of data)
  Question: could this be hot swap? :)
° what about internet?
  I have read about using USB but they are not easy nor cheap to find.
  An Amiga 2000 could make the thing easier but now I would like to reach the goal to have an Amiga 500 working at best.
  And yes... An Amiga 600 or 1200 could be even better from this point of view since they have PCMCIA... but I would like crazy ideas for my Amiga 500! :)
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 04:59:51 PM »
Answering to myself?!?!? :hammer:

I have posted the original request also to the Apollo forum and I was looking too see if I had any answers (none!)... but I have found the following 3D:
http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1703 :roflmao:
Interesting for many things... expecially for the Plipbox (I forgot about it!!!).

Any other ideas or new?
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 12:31:13 PM »
Since you have Vampire, why not use SDNet?

EDIT: Ah yeah, that is what is described on the link you gave.
It works fairly well, though I experience various crashes with sdnet.device when having multiple simultaneous downloads.
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Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2017, 07:43:27 PM »
Just download https://apolloos.weebly.com/ write it to CF and you are running.

Ignore the copyright police, they are running on the waambulance very busy enforcing the copyright of dead products that have expired copyrights.


Also you can run your installation inside winuae if you wish i have seen that amikitX will be available for the vampire shortly using a modified installer.
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