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Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« on: December 09, 2016, 09:14:21 AM »
1. Does anyone know the maximum hard disk capacity for GVP A2000-HC+8 Series II REV I (ROM 3.12S/3.2A)?
2. What are jumpers for SCSI ID on GVP card?
3. What are these jumpers under Quantum ProDrive LPS 50MB:

 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 10:11:32 AM »
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2. What are jumpers for SCSI ID on GVP card?
You mean the host adapter? Traditionally, the host adapter has the SCSI ID 7 which typically cannot be changed. For the drive, the SCSI ID can be selected with the A0..A2 jumpers.

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3. What are these jumpers under Quantum ProDrive LPS 50MB:
SS: Seek test (do not set jumper, only for testing)
WS: Wait spin. If jumpered, the drive starts delayed to avoid a breakdown of the power during startup.
EP: Enable parity. Allows usage on older systems which do not generate a parity signal. If jumpered, the parity is tested.
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 11:29:18 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;817495
You mean the host adapter? Traditionally, the host adapter has the SCSI ID 7 which typically cannot be changed. For the drive, the SCSI ID can be selected with the A0..A2 jumpers.


SS: Seek test (do not set jumper, only for testing)
WS: Wait spin. If jumpered, the drive starts delayed to avoid a breakdown of the power during startup.
EP: Enable parity. Allows usage on older systems which do not generate a parity signal. If jumpered, the parity is tested.


I mean these: http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact2000hc8
J4 -   SCSI drive
J10-J12 -   SCSI ID

Would you explain more about A0-A2 jumpers?
Should I set jumper for EP or WS?
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 02:37:49 PM »
Quote from: RiP;817499
I mean these: http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact2000hc8
J4 -    SCSI drive
J10-J12 -    SCSI ID

Would you explain more about A0-A2 jumpers?

Thomas was referring to the jumpers labelled A0-A2 on the drive in your attached picture. With the jumper on A2 your drive is currently set to ID = 4. No worries about that however the manual for the GVP card states that the drive should be set to ID = 0 (no jumpers on A0-A2) and resistor packs removed, which they are.

I'm not sure why there are SCSI ID jumpers on the GVP card. It should autoconfig as ID=7. I would just leave those jumpers empty and try it.

J4 is shown as "Autobooting" but the manual describes nothing else for it.

Maximum size, IIRC, I think is 4GB but that assumes up to date GVP ROMs and OS 3.1 or maybe even OS 3.5 minimum. Your LPS 50MB drive should be fine.

Peter
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 02:51:14 PM by AmigaPete »
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 03:21:42 PM »
Try using PFS or SFS instead of FFS for large hard disk support. Also all the obvious stuff - use the latest ROM's, latest version of the OS, etc., if you want to use large hard drives.
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 04:03:06 PM »
Quote from: AmigaPete;817504
I'm not sure why there are SCSI ID jumpers on the GVP card. It should autoconfig as ID=7. I would just leave those jumpers empty and try it.

There are SCSI ID jumpers because there are situations where you don't want to use the default ID of 7.

You can for example create a network of computers using SCSI and each host adaptor would need a unique ID. SCSI is a bit like commodore serial bus and IEEE where each device can talk to any other device and there is nothing special about the computer initiating a request.

But if you just have a hard drive and a host adaptor then 0 for the hard drive and 7 for the host adaptor is the standard.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 04:09:48 PM by psxphill »
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2016, 05:20:56 PM »
Thanks for replies, I'm new to SCSI stuffs x)
I feel my HDD is dying since it makes strange noise at each startup.
Low capacity SCSI HDDs are expensive here and I have only KS2.04+WB2 =/

And should I set jumper for EP or WS?
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 06:48:17 PM »
I have this GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II

I ques it is prety much same card but for A500.

I have 4gb hard drive connected to it.

I have spend countless hours to tryint to get working old SCSI drive and tryin to get them work with my Trump Card Pro. I ended up to bought Buddha IDE controller.

I you want to keep SCSI, I would suggest you to get this :

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1264
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 08:05:55 PM »
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And should I set jumper for EP or WS?

Why? If the harddisk currently works, then there is no need to jumper it any different. EP enables the parity, which is in principle a good idea to detect transmission errors, but if the HD works, I wouldn't bother. WS slows down the start of the harddisk to reduce the stress on the power supply of the system - but again, if the harddisk works as it currently does, then there is no need to play with the jumpers.
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2016, 09:44:17 PM »
Quote from: utri007;817517
I you want to keep SCSI, I would suggest you to get this :

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1264

+1
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2016, 08:21:10 PM »
Just bought 2940UW but it can't find my Quantum ProDrive LPS 50MB SCSI, stuck in Scanning SCSI ID after pressing Ctrl+A :(
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2016, 08:23:58 PM »
Using HDtoolbox or something else?
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2016, 12:47:54 AM »
Quote from: RiP;817558
Just bought 2940UW but it can't find my Quantum ProDrive LPS 50MB SCSI, stuck in Scanning SCSI ID after pressing Ctrl+A :(

You mean an adaptec 2940 ultra wide scsi? As in "a PC card"? Well, how did you set it up? ultra scsi has a different timing, so it is most likely necessary to configure it such that it uses the more relaxed (not to say slow) timing of SCSI-II. (not wide, not ultra).
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2016, 01:21:59 AM »
Quote from: RiP;817558
Just bought 2940UW but it can't find my Quantum ProDrive LPS 50MB SCSI, stuck in Scanning SCSI ID after pressing Ctrl+A :(


Finding working SCSI disk for amiga can be a painfull experience,

You really should buy that amigakit SD2SCSI adapter, if you want to get something wich has some future.

I have "endless" source of used scsi disks because of my job and I can say that anything wich is even remotely modern will not work with old amiga scsi controllers.

You will end up to have some 5-10 scsi disks wich don't work with your amiga. You should look something wich has 4gb max capasity and 50 pin connector. Most of them are alreday broken when you get them.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: Question about SCSI jumpers and HDD capacity
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2016, 04:34:12 AM »
@RiP,

After reading thru you may be best served with an accelerator w/SCSI2. Grab a drive from flea-bay and be on your way.