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A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« on: July 29, 2015, 04:43:04 PM »
So I was lucky enough to pick up a GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II (what a mouthful of a name!) for $20 while attending the Amiga 30th Anniversary bash at the Computer History Museum this weekend. This unit is complete in the box with all the manuals and original floppies, and seems to be in good overall shape. It was very dirty / dusty when I got it, so I took it apart and gave it a cleaning with some compressed air. Other than the fan not wanting to spin when it's reassembled (looks like the cables are pressing on the fan when it's all clamped down), it seems to work fine mechanically - it powers on, the drive spins, etc.





However, when it's connected to my ROM 1.3 A500 and in auto-boot mode, the drive-access flickers for about 30 seconds before stopping and the Amiga just requests the boot floppy like normal. Based on this, I'm assuming three likely issues:

- The drive has failed
- The drive works but there isn't a bootable OS on the drive
- The drive works and has a bootable OS, but is loaded with a newer OS than my ROM 1.3-equipped Amiga can boot into

Does that summary sound roughly accurate? Am I missing anything?
 
I'm acquiring a set of Workbench floppies tonight (I currently don't have any OS disks, only some games), so hopefully I'll be able to boot the Amiga to a desktop and try mounting the SCSI drive. I'm also looking into a ROM switcher and a ROM 3.1 chip from eBay, which should theoretically make it easier to run the whole OS (including Workbench 2.x, I think) from the SCSI drive.

Definitely open to any suggestions or tips - it's been ages since I did much with an Amiga, and I'm pretty fuzzy on the best-practices on these machines...
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2015, 07:21:47 PM »
Hi!

First, great deal!  I had a hard time resisting spending more money than I did there, at the end I tried to get @LoadWB to spend his money, instead, which was great fun.  :)  The A500HD+ is one of the best-performing, and most "esthetically pleasing" hard drive controllers available for the A500, IMHO.

Second, you don't show it in your picture, but you did get the external power supply, correct?  While it's possible to run the A500HD+ off the 86-pin port only, which is what I do, it's not recommended to do this unless you have a low-power drive or one of the SCSI-to-CF or SCSI-to-SD solutions, so as not to tax the bus and stock PSU too much.  Just mentioning it to verify that you're not having a power problem.  http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/overclock/a500hd.html

Third, there are pretty much more different options for what you can do with this setup than there are clouds in the sky.  If it were me building another A500 system, here's what I'd do:

Get a new 3.1 ROM ($17 at AmigaKit):
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=157

Get a set of 3.1 disks ($16.34 at AmigaKit) and do a fresh format & install of Workbench 3.1:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1211

Upgrade to a 68010 processor (good for about a 5% speed increase and allows you to use the "Quit" key in WHDLoad, usually run about $5-$10 on ebay):
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=motorola+68010&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=motorola+68010&_sacat=0

Upgrade to an ECS Denise (optional, but I like to have it personally):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-Super-Denise-8373-NOS-for-Amiga-500-2000-and-3000-/161756512645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a9708185

You already have plenty of fast ram in the sidecar, looks like yours is already maxed out, if not you can put up to 8MB in there with standard 30-pin SIMM's (also usually run around $5 each on ebay).

If you only have 512K of chip ram you should look into the mod to upgrade it to 1MB.  This is pretty easy on most variants of A500 motherboard, instructions vary depending on which MB version you have and which Agnus.

If you still want to keep fallback ability for 1.3, you could get a ROM switcher.

...in any case, a 3.1-equipped, 68010 A500, with 1MB chip and 8MB fast is plenty sufficient for tinkering with Workbench (you might look into the "BetterWB" pack), and also for playing just about any classic game available through WHDLoad.  Obviously some folks might prefer to forgo all those upgrades and just use a Gotek or HxC variety of floppy emulator, not my personal cup of tea, but "as many options as there are fish in the sea", and all that.  Good luck, have fun, here's a couple more links to get you started:

http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/BetterWB.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHDLoad

http://whdload.de/

If you really want to max it out, get an Indivision ECS (usually around $100), which will allow you to use any modern monitor.  I love 'em, but again that's just IMHO, some people prefer the classic CRT's, blech!  :p
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 08:09:36 PM »
Thank you for putting together that wealth of useful info and links, Oldsmobile_Mike! Very cool and generous of you.

I'm happy to report that I did indeed get a PSU with the GVP drive, along with *everything* else - as best I can tell, it's a complete set, with the box, manuals, disks, cardboard inserts, etc. etc. I'm a relative newcomer to the Amiga collecting scene but I've been in the 68k Mac world for years and years and I can vouch for how rare it is to find rare accessories like this, let alone ones that were kept all together. I really lucked out here!

I'll spend some time reading through the info and links you provided later, but again, thank you - having a newbie-friendly guide like this is worth its weight in gold right now!
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 12:47:14 PM »
It seems to be the same GVP drive I use with my Amiga A500 Plus with Kickstart 2.04. I didn't get any documentation , the original HDD in the unit soon failed, then I had to fit it with a new drive which already had Workbench 2.x and some software installed. There's a topic I posted about it somewhere on here. I've never heard anything about powering it from the A500/A500 Plus though. It has its own PSU, which I switch on first, then allow it to spin up before turning on the A500 Plus. When I turn off the HDD PSU the Amiga A500 Plus screen goes blank, although it's still in the same colour scheme as before.

My GVP drive has some extra RAM, but not the maximum. If I got any more RAM, it probably wouldn't work with the RAM I've already got. I recently noticed an interface on the back of this unit, but I don't know what it's for. Would this allow me to fit a CD-ROM drive of the right type with the right cable? I don't know.

Of course, the classic CRT monitors are best for the Amiga, except for hires productivity display modes, as pointed out by Kooky Tech (Dan Wood).
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2015, 02:47:01 PM »
Quote from: AmigaBruno;793334


My GVP drive has some extra RAM, but not the maximum. If I got any more RAM, it probably wouldn't work with the RAM I've already got. I recently noticed an interface on the back of this unit, but I don't know what it's for. Would this allow me to fit a CD-ROM drive of the right type with the right cable? I don't know.



If my understanding is correct, the port on the back of the GVP is a 25-pin external SCSI port, suitable (in theory, at least) for connecting an external hard drive, a CD-ROM drive, a Zip drive, etc., though driver availability on our old versions of Workbench may be questionable.

Hope this helps!
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2015, 05:41:55 PM »
I have same hardware wich is powered through A500. It has a 4gb HP hard drive and I haven't had any problems.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2015, 07:02:03 PM »
Correct, the DB25 port on the back is for connecting external SCSI devices.  I've used mine to successfully connect DVD drives, CD burners, external hard drives, SCSI card readers, etc.  Obviously you'll need some kind of case to house and power the device, and to figure out the SCSI device ID & termination, which can be the trickiest part if you've never done it before.  I know I had a tough time wrapping my head around it at first!  ;)

Setting up/prepping a hard drive is certainly doable under 2.04/2.1 or 1.3, but IMHO if you choose this route you're only making it harder on yourself.  The software is available and it works, but unless you have some pressing need to use one of these older versions (i.e., nostalgia, or compatibility with some certain old software)...  why make it harder on yourself, when you can get 3.1 ROM's & disks for under $40 USD?  ;)

The sidecar supports up to 8MB of 16-bit fast ram.  The best way to do this (again, IMHO), is with two matching 4MB, 30-pin, 60n's SIMM's.  You can usually find these on ebay for around $5 each.  There's tons of them on there, but these should work fine:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4MB-30pin-SIMM-RAM-MEMORY-without-parity-4x8-30-pin-/161019154549?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257d7d5075

Also while I'm thinking about it, if yours doesn't have the latest ROM, it's cheap to upgrade to 4.15, which offers improved compatibility with larger hard drives.  The best, best ROM you can get for the device is the GuruROM, but these are exceedingly difficult to find, not because of the ROM itself, but because of the little PCB that sits between the ROM chip and the board, and has been out of production for decades.

TJLazah sells 4.15 ROM's on ebay:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-4091-GVP-or-Supra-Series-III-SCSI-ROM-update-/131566171810?hash=item1ea1f476a2

And here's info on the GuruROM:  http://babel.de/amiga.html

And this link has info on setting the jumpers inside the case:  http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1194

More here:  http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact500mk2

There's a German version of the A500HD8+ manual floating around, but I don't know where there's an English version.  For other things the A2000 version manual can be helpful (in English, here):  http://amiga.resource.cx/manual/Impact2000_SeriesII.pdf

Amiga is not a cheap hobby, and it's a personal pet peeve when people don't want to spend the money to "do it right", but almost all these items I've linked to in this and the previous post can be had for under $20 each.  And that's one thing I absolutely love - that you can get some little chip for $20 bucks, plug it in, and radically alter the performance of your device.  One of my favorite things about this hobby, actually.  Try doing that on a PC.  :)

Read up, and have fun!  :D
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Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2015, 09:21:22 PM »
Once again, Oldsmobile_Mike has swung to the rescue with a ton of well-written, helpful advice and links!

A follow-up question (which may warrant its own thread, if the answer is complex): a few years ago I purchased an "Amiga Forever!" CD which contains various emulators, ROM's, OS's, etc. - does that mean I could legally request someone make me a set of OS 3.1 floppies, or do I still need to purchase them the normal way?

Thanks again - I'm so grateful for all the help here!
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 12:51:03 AM »
No prob!  Not touching that question about "is it legal or not", however.  I would say yes, but then I'm sure the copyright police would be all over this thread in a hot minute, LOL.  ;)
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2015, 07:37:03 AM »
Yes , because you have Amiga and it has kicktstarts and it came with
Workbench.If they got lost I would say nobody will give you legal problems but you can still try and contact some people if you want some (problems):)
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2015, 02:34:14 PM »
I'm amazed to find out that I can plug in a CD ROM drive to this unit, but I still have no real idea how to do that and to get it working.

I'm not sure if the connector on the GVP drive is for power or data. I doubt it's for both.

I already own a CD ROM drive I bought over a year ago, sold as compatible with the Amiga. It seems to be an old PC drive designed to fit inside a case. It's a Samsung SCR-630. I bought the Fresh Fish and some Amiga Active CD ROMs to use with it. I planned to fit it to my Amiga A1200, but it came with some very complicated instructions, so I couldn't do it.

The CD ROM drive has a Molex connector for power. I've got some spare PC PSUs which are 400W and 500W that would fit, but AFAIK all PSUs of that type may need their two main connectors plugged into a motherboard before they can work. I don't think there are any suitable connectors on the Amiga motherboards.

I'd need to know how to connect and how to power this CD ROM drive before I could do that. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever be able to do that.

I recently saw an "Amiga CD ROM drive" advertised on eBay, but it was external, had a kettle lead connector and a lead with different plugs on each end. It didn't say Amiga on the drive. Perhaps an old Mac external CD ROM drive would work.
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2015, 03:47:47 PM »
@AmigaBruno -

You kill me, man.  Don't just say you can't do it, thousands of people have done it before you.  Research man, research!

To plug into a 500 sidecar all you need is a SCSI cable an an external chassis to physically hold and power the drive.  I bought mine off ebay a couple years ago for $3 from some Mac user.  ;)

The physical connection is easy, configuring the SCSI ID and termination is what's hard, if you've never done them before.  Also I recommend OS3.1 or 3.9.  No reason you couldn't do it with an earlier version - again - you'd just be making more work for yourself, doing it that way.

I'm a very visual person, I can learn more from a few pictures than I could from a thousand pages of text.  So if you're like me, here's a few pictures to get you started:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2015, 03:57:35 PM »
Do not want to hijack this thread, however was following it as I have a similar HD8+ and have a quick question on the ROM chip ... so buying the ROM chip offered on ebay is not enough? You also need an additional board?

Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;793342

TJLazah sells 4.15 ROM's on ebay:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-4091-GVP-or-Supra-Series-III-SCSI-ROM-update-/131566171810?hash=item1ea1f476a2

And here's info on the GuruROM:  http://babel.de/amiga.html
 

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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2015, 04:00:36 PM »
Quote from: sim085;793382
Do not want to hijack this thread, however was following it as I have a similar HD8+ and have a quick question on the ROM chip ... so buying the ROM chip offered on ebay is not enough? You also need an additional board?

The 4.15 ROM chip off ebay will plug right in.  It's the GuruROM which requires a PCB adapter fitted between the ROM chip and the socket.

Edit:  Pic 1, regular ROM.  Pic 2, GuruROM.  :)
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Re: A few questions about the GVP Impact A500 HD8+ Series II
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2015, 04:25:35 PM »
Hi again guys,

Thought you might enjoy a quick update: I got in touch with a local Amigan via Craigslist yesterday, and he was kind enough to create a pair of Workbench 1.3 floppies for me. Using those, I was able to (finally!) boot to the OS and tinker around - I was relieved to see the memory line at the top showing ~9 megs (512k chip + 512k fast + 8m in the GVP sidecar). The HDD still wasn't mounting or doing much of anything, so I started tinkering with the GVP setup disks that came with it. None of them could "see" the HDD, but during one attempt there was a loud CLICK from the GVP drive, the read/write LED started blinking, and suddenly it was working (and bootable!). Maybe the heads were stuck and needed some coaxing to work loose after 20+ years of lying dormant? Who knows - I'm just psyched that it's working now!



I definitely don't 'trust' this Quantum drive and won't be terribly surprised if it suddenly dies on me, but it's at the very least confirmation that the entire GVP sidecar is electronically sound. Not too bad for $20!

Have any of you experimented with mounting some sort of SCSI-to-CompactFlash (or SD?) adapter in one of these sidecars? Any suggestions or advice around that idea?