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Offline tonyvdbTopic starter

BigRamPlus?
« on: December 15, 2014, 10:26:58 PM »
Has anybody used the BigRamPlus
http://www.vesalia.de/e_bigramplus.htm
Im thinking of one for my A4000Dthat I use with a Mediator board in a tower.
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2014, 11:10:32 PM »
This is a dumb question, but one I'd been meaning to ask for a while.  What would happen if you use one of these devices (or a ZorRam) on a Zorro II system?  Would they be able to use 8MB of it?  Or not see it at all?

Reason is pretty logical, if I wanted to replace old full-size ZII RAM expansion boards with more modern components, better reliability, better airflow inside case, etc.
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Offline tonyvdbTopic starter

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2014, 11:35:56 PM »
Funny how we get excited about adding 128mb of ram or even 8mb LOL thats so 80s
Amiga 2000HD Indivision ECS
Amiga 4000D towerised OS 3.1 and 3.9 on CF cards
Indivision AGA, Mediator 4000
Video Toaster 4000 Flyer v4.3 Millenium.
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Offline danbeaver

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 03:09:30 AM »
Answer #1, yes I've used a ZorRAM and a BigRam+ in A4000T & D's (even an A3000D) and they work fine.  When used with a Mediator (which can grab 512 MB of Z3 address space) one has to be careful with the way the Z3 address space (1 GB) is allocated; if you do it incorrectly you will run out of address space.  For example, the ZorRAM 128MB allocates 256 MB of space thus wasting 128 MB of address space.  The two ram boards are otherwise identical except for the layout: the BigRam+ has all its RAM on 1 side, and only comes in 256 MB (the amount it allocates).  Otherwise the parts and firmware are the same.

Answer #2,  Sorry 442 or is it 455? Both are Z3 (32-bit boards) and lay outside the Z2 24-bit address space; so a A2000 can't see it.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 03:11:48 AM by danbeaver »
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 05:47:28 AM »
Makes sense.  Bummer, oh well.  Thanks @danbeaver!  :)
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Offline danbeaver

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 08:24:01 AM »
Yeah, that is why 32-bit RAM had to be put on the accelerator board itself when used in an A2000 (but boy, those 040's and 060's would make an A2000 fly)...
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 08:25:25 AM by danbeaver »
 

Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 12:27:53 PM »
Quote from: danbeaver;779910
Answer #1, yes I've used a ZorRAM and a BigRam+ in A4000T & D's (even an A3000D) and they work fine.

BigRAM+ is NOT guarantied to work in a A4000 with third-party BusBoards! Because of bad Z3 - termination! It is only guarantied in original Commdore Busboards or Tower-Models!
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Offline danbeaver

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 09:54:51 PM »
Quote from: Rotzloeffel;779929
BigRAM+ is NOT guarantied to work in a A4000 with third-party BusBoards! Because of bad Z3 - termination! It is only guarantied in original Commdore Busboards or Tower-Models!

You don't say!
 

Offline tonyvdbTopic starter

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 10:03:44 PM »
So BigRam wont work with a Mediator 4000 or in most cases it will?
ZorRam says it does work with the Mediator however AmigaKit does not have any available for sale right now.
Amiga 2000HD Indivision ECS
Amiga 4000D towerised OS 3.1 and 3.9 on CF cards
Indivision AGA, Mediator 4000
Video Toaster 4000 Flyer v4.3 Millenium.
202gig of video drive space & 5gig audio.
 

Offline mechy

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 06:26:20 AM »
Quote from: tonyvdb;779998
So BigRam wont work with a Mediator 4000 or in most cases it will?
ZorRam says it does work with the Mediator however AmigaKit does not have any available for sale right now.

i use a zoram 256Mb with the mediator and cyberstorm ppc. it works just fine. I have installed: radeon 9250,sb128,deneb usb.
 

Offline danbeaver

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2014, 10:42:18 AM »
Quote from: tonyvdb;779998
So BigRam wont work with a Mediator 4000 or in most cases it will?
ZorRam says it does work with the Mediator however AmigaKit does not have any available for sale right now.

It does work with the Mediator, but certain "add on" boards that give Zorro slots to tower systems (to the best of my knowledge these are for adding Z3 to an A1200) don't work.  Those machine that already have Z3 slots (A3000D/T and A4000D/T) with expanded Z3 slots (Mediator) work fine; I'm sure those who write aggressively with excessive punctuation will follow up this post with specific examples of boards that don't work well due to "poor Z3 slot Termination." Although the only A4000D towered model I had in the past, did work with a BigRam+.

I believe iComp.de (https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/bigramplus.html) and  Vesalia.de (http://www.vesalia.de/e_bigramplus.htm) has BigRam+ boards.  The ZorRam boards are not listed on AmigaKit's site.
 

Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2014, 02:12:59 PM »
Quote from: danbeaver;780094
I'm sure those who write aggressively with excessive punctuation will follow up this post with specific examples of boards that don't work well due to "poor Z3 slot Termination." Although the only A4000D towered model I had in the past, did work with a BigRam+.

I was in the Beta-Test Team of the BigRam+ and it was not working with Micronic and Eagle Crap in A4000 in stable conditions ...... Mediator could work, but NOT guarantied... I never said it is not working....

BTW: if you loose a TCP-Packet, who cares.... if you loose Bytes in RAM ? Do what ever you want.....
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Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2014, 05:01:54 PM »
I just installed a BigRAM+ board in my A4000 but ran into a problem. I have WB35 on my hard drive.  It does not see the board at all.  But if I boot off a WB31 floppy, it works just fine. Any ideas?
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2014, 05:23:46 PM »
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I just installed a BigRAM+ board in my A4000 but ran into a problem. I have WB35 on my hard drive. It does not see the board at all. But if I boot off a WB31 floppy, it works just fine. Any ideas?

When you say "It does not see the board at all", what tools are you using to detect it?  See if it shows up in Scout or SysInfo or ShowConfig or similar?
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Re: BigRamPlus?
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2014, 02:41:49 AM »
I use ShowConfig and Amiga Analyzer, even just the top window bar.  Like I said, it works fine in WB31 from a floppy boot, but when I boot from the HD with WB35, neither memory nor board show up. Even did a memory test on it and all the memory came up good (in WB31).
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