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Offline adrian82Topic starter

fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« on: November 05, 2013, 08:32:10 PM »
Hi folks!

Just wanted to let you know that the Amiga emulator fs-uae is now offically part of Debian [1]. I uploaded the emulator on Friday and I still busy fixing some issues that showed up after uploading the emulator to Debian.

If you stumble upon any problems, just write a bug report against the fs-uae package using the reportbug utility in Debian.

Ubuntu and derivatives should automatically receive the packages as well soon.

Cheers,

Adrian

> [1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fs-uae.html
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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 11:36:12 PM »
Very cool! Will it work with Debian 6 or only the latest release?
 

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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 03:44:28 AM »
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Very cool! Will it work with Debian 6 or only the latest release?

It's currently in Debian Sid.

In case you don't already know, Debian's release happens like this;

Debian Sid is Unstable, new packages generally come in here, unless it's a newer version of a program, then it goes into experimental, which isn't a 'full release version'.

Debian Testing (currently code named Jessie) is what eventually becomes the next stable release.

Debian Stable (currently is Wheezy, also known as 7.2 (they have released their second full update of their installers since 7.0 was released).

Debian Oldstable (currently Squeeze, 6.0.8 I believe is the most current if you keep it up to date and do a 'cat /etc/debian-release'.

Generally new packages stay in Sid for 10 days, and if there are no immediate breakages / severe bug reports in that period, then it is pushed into Testing.  So if there aren't any broken dependencies or bugs found in that time, then fs-uae should hit Jessie.  (I may be wrong on the 10 days, I'm pretty sure it's that or two weeks.)

I would ask why you're on version 6, since wheezy has so many improvements over squeeze, and unless you're on a server where you have to do extensive testing for everything you upgrade (I'm going through that now at work) then I'd update that.

Oldstable gets security updates for a year after there is a new Stable version.  If I recall, Wheezy was released on May 4th of this year, which gives another 6 months of security updates for Squeeze.

Not really looking forward to these upgrades myself (I already upgraded my home email/misc server to Wheezy a few months back, and going from dovecot 1.2 to 2.1 was a huge change.)

But to remain more on topic, AWESOME!  I actually jumped the gun a bit and grabbed the packages earlier from ftp-master and installed them, then a few days later, saw them in the package manager and promptly updated them!

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Offline adrian82Topic starter

Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 11:59:59 AM »
Quote from: Tenacious;751929
Very cool! Will it work with Debian 6 or only the latest release?


Yes. Once fs-uae has migrated to testing (which will happen in 10 days), I am able to upload a backported version to wheezy-backports which allows to install the package on Debian Wheezy (version 6).

Instructions on how to use backports can be found here [1].

Adrian

> [1] http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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- Amiga 2000 with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- Amiga 4000 Tower with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- 2x Amiga 4000 with unknown accelerators
- 4x Amiga 500, Protar A500HD 2MB, C= A590 2MB, OS3.1
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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 06:28:23 PM »
Sweet, I did remember right, 10 days!  Didn't know that once it was in testing it could be backported, though that makes the most sense.

Wheezy is version 7 though.  Squeeze is 6.
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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 07:23:45 PM »
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Wheezy is version 7 though.  Squeeze is 6.


You are right, I was messing up the version numbers. Most Debian Developers never talk about versions but we use the release names which are easier to remember.

Debian Wheezy is the current stable version and this is the one you should be using. I can provide backports to wheezy-backports only, I'm not sure whether it's still possible to upload to squeeze-backports (which also uses a different upload queue which I don't have used before).

Furthermore, Debian Squeeze won't be supported for a long time anymore, probably until around May 2014. It's therefore highly recommended to upgrade to Debian Wheezy. You do not need to reinstall for this, just do a dist-upgrade.

Cheers,

Adrian
- Amiga 1200 w/ Blizzard 1220/4 - ACA-1230/56MHz/64MB, OS3.9 + Debian unstable, Squirrel SCSI + CD-Writer and 160GB HDD
- Amiga 2000 ECS with A2090 and Genlock, OS 3.1
- Amiga 2000 with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- Amiga 4000 Tower with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- 2x Amiga 4000 with unknown accelerators
- 4x Amiga 500, Protar A500HD 2MB, C= A590 2MB, OS3.1
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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 11:49:37 PM »
What, no m68k build?  Kidding of course, awesome work, and I can totally see only using distribution names instead of versions (in talking about Debian with others, I never say "You using Debian 7?" I always say "You using Debian Wheezy?").  Really the numbering system I think is just a courtesy thing to make it make sense to people who pay attention to such things.  It's kind of like how they went from 4.0r1 (for first 'update' for Etch) then the scheme of 5.0.1 (first update for Lenny) and 6.0.1 (first update for Squeeze) but now 7.1 for first update of Wheezy.

And really those 'updates' are only 7.0 with all updates as of when the ISO was created.  They aren't like service packs or anything, You'd still be running 7.2 if you install 7.0 and kept it updated.

This is why I love Debian.  Well that and you can easily (relatively) from 7.x to 8.x.  Where as all the RPM based ones I've tried, you are sometimes lucky if you can go from 10.0 to 10.1 (Suse was bad at this, I could manage 10.0 to 10.1 well enough, but then taking it to 10.2 broke it horribly).  CentOS/RHEL is good for 6.x-6.x but going from 6.x to 7.x... may as well reinstall.

slaapliedje.

Again, thanks a ton for getting fs-uae OFFICIALLY into Debian!  It's been needing a better package of UAE for a LONG time.
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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 11:50:44 PM »
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Most Debian Developers never talk about versions but we use the release names which are easier to remember.



Not me, I find version numbers more intuitive.  These random names add confusion to Linux distros, medical terms, insurance fine print, and legal-speak!  ;)

IIRC, Debian 6 was the last release that supported the Gnome2 desktop.  I like Gnome 2.
 

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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 07:02:52 AM »
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Not me, I find version numbers more intuitive.  These random names add confusion to Linux distros, medical terms, insurance fine print, and legal-speak!  ;)


Then you're obviously in the minority. Think about IKEA, their whole product line is identified by names and not product numbers. Humans can memorize names much better and since Debian releases just about every 2-3 years, it should be easy to remember that the current version is Wheezy.

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IIRC, Debian 6 was the last release that supported the Gnome2 desktop.  I like Gnome 2.


Well, yes, but Gnome 2 is no longer in development, so there is that. And, again, you shouldn't be using software which is no longer maintained besides for classic computing.

You can jump to Mate which is a fork of Gnome 2 with some improvements. I have been using Mate for some time and I have reviewed and sponsored some Mate packages, but I am currently on Gnome 3 Classic which resembles the old Gnome 2 very closely.

Adrian
- Amiga 1200 w/ Blizzard 1220/4 - ACA-1230/56MHz/64MB, OS3.9 + Debian unstable, Squirrel SCSI + CD-Writer and 160GB HDD
- Amiga 2000 ECS with A2090 and Genlock, OS 3.1
- Amiga 2000 with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- Amiga 4000 Tower with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- 2x Amiga 4000 with unknown accelerators
- 4x Amiga 500, Protar A500HD 2MB, C= A590 2MB, OS3.1
- Amiga 600 Standard + A601, OS3.1
- several 68k Macs
- Atari ST Mega
- 6
 

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Re: fs-uae emulator now available in Debian
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 07:08:10 AM »
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What, no m68k build?


Of course, it just hasn't been build yet, see:

http://buildd.debian-ports.org/status/package.php?p=fs-uae

Our buildds for m68k aren't the fastest:

http://unstable.buildd.net/index-m68k.html

We desperately need more m68k machines, so if you have one to spare. Can be anything with a 68030 or faster, be it Amiga, Mac or Atari.

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Kidding of course, awesome work, and I can totally see only using distribution names instead of versions (in talking about Debian with others, I never say "You using Debian 7?" I always say "You using Debian Wheezy?").


And everyone should be able to remember the names of the Toy Story characters, shouldn't they? ;)

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Again, thanks a ton for getting fs-uae OFFICIALLY into Debian!  It's been needing a better package of UAE for a LONG time.


Yes, very sorry for the delay. But getting new packages into Debian isn't that easy, even as a Debian Developer. It took me quite a long time to get the copyright file for fs-uae correct and complete and the source tarball free of any non-free code. Debian is very strict about free software.

Just look at the copyright file:

http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/f/fs-uae/unstable_copyright

Adrian
- Amiga 1200 w/ Blizzard 1220/4 - ACA-1230/56MHz/64MB, OS3.9 + Debian unstable, Squirrel SCSI + CD-Writer and 160GB HDD
- Amiga 2000 ECS with A2090 and Genlock, OS 3.1
- Amiga 2000 with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- Amiga 4000 Tower with Blizzard 68060/128 MiB FastRAM
- 2x Amiga 4000 with unknown accelerators
- 4x Amiga 500, Protar A500HD 2MB, C= A590 2MB, OS3.1
- Amiga 600 Standard + A601, OS3.1
- several 68k Macs
- Atari ST Mega
- 6