Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Forums
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

Author Topic: EGS-28/24 Spectrum  (Read 3719 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline IggyTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 5348
    • Show only replies by Iggy
EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« on: July 12, 2013, 11:28:01 PM »
If I find an EGS-28/24 Spectrum, should I use the EGS drivers or the picasso96 drivers?

Also, does anyone remember the website for those pre-configured workbench disks?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2013, 01:23:24 AM by Iggy »
Logged
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

Offline SpeedGeek

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2013, 12:02:09 AM »
That depends on your preference for a modern RTG (Picasso96) system or the obsolete kludged graphics (pile of crap EGS) system. :laugh1:
Logged
 

Offline IggyTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 5348
    • Show only replies by Iggy
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2013, 12:25:29 AM »
Quote from: SpeedGeek;740693
That depends on your preference for a modern RTG (Picasso96) system or the obsolete kludged graphics (pile of crap EGS) system. :laugh1:

Well, I guess that settles that.
Logged
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

Offline Ami_GFX

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 379
    • Show only replies by Ami_GFX
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2013, 12:53:15 AM »
EGS Spectrum works with Cybergraphics too. I have EGS, Picasso 96 and Cybergraphics in separate system partitions on my A2500. EGS is amusing and retro. It is actually a completely different 24 bit GUI piggy backed on Intuition. There are only a handful of apps for it. It also gives you a 256 color Workbench. Picasso 96 and Cybergraphics give you a full 24 bit workbench. I personally prefer Cybergraphics but Picasso 96 is a bit faster.
Logged
A2500 owned since 1993 with A2630/DKB 2632, DKB Megachip, GVP EGS Spectrum, A2320 and GVP HC+8 on the inside and a DCTV on the outside. A4000D with CSPPC, Cybervision 64 and a Flicker Magic flicker fixer. A4000T Toaster Flyer & CSMKII. All systems completly retro and classic and mostly used to do geometic art as in my avatar.
 

Offline bbond007

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1517
    • Show only replies by bbond007
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2013, 01:30:18 AM »
When I had a CV64/3D in my A2000 I really liked how Cybergraphics supported screen-dragging and Picasso96 did not as I recall...
Logged
 

Offline Steady

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 02:09:12 AM »
I have one of those in my A4000 but ditched the EGS long ago. I was interesting to look at at the time but pretty useless really. Picasso96 or Cybergraphics is the way to go, though cybergraphics gives screen dragging and Picasso96 doesn't.
Logged
 

Offline Ami_GFX

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 379
    • Show only replies by Ami_GFX
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2013, 02:36:04 AM »
Draging screens and a feel like the native Amiga chipset are advantages of Cybergraphics. Deluxe Paint works in Cybergraphics--some functions anyway. Perspective and some other brush functions don't.

Picasso 96 will feel faster on a 68030 processor. On a 68040 or 68060, you won't notice the difference. It won't be that much a difference on a 68030.
Logged
A2500 owned since 1993 with A2630/DKB 2632, DKB Megachip, GVP EGS Spectrum, A2320 and GVP HC+8 on the inside and a DCTV on the outside. A4000D with CSPPC, Cybervision 64 and a Flicker Magic flicker fixer. A4000T Toaster Flyer & CSMKII. All systems completly retro and classic and mostly used to do geometic art as in my avatar.
 

Offline IggyTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 5348
    • Show only replies by Iggy
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2013, 02:49:54 AM »
Quote from: Ami_GFX;740702
Picasso 96 will feel faster on a 68030 processor. On a 68040 or 68060, you won't notice the difference. It won't be that much a difference on a 68030.

I don't get that last part.
I've bought a 33 MHz '040 board.
Shouldn't that perform better than an '030?
Logged
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

Offline Ami_GFX

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 379
    • Show only replies by Ami_GFX
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2013, 04:07:18 AM »
Picasso 96 probably uses less of the CPU than Cybergrafix. On my 030 A2500, it just feels a little bit snapier in opening windows and doing graphics functions than Cybergrafix. On my A4000 it is not a noticble difference with either an 040 or 060 cpu card. It is not really much of a difference on my A2500 with it's stock 2630 accelerator.
Logged
A2500 owned since 1993 with A2630/DKB 2632, DKB Megachip, GVP EGS Spectrum, A2320 and GVP HC+8 on the inside and a DCTV on the outside. A4000D with CSPPC, Cybervision 64 and a Flicker Magic flicker fixer. A4000T Toaster Flyer & CSMKII. All systems completly retro and classic and mostly used to do geometic art as in my avatar.
 

Offline IggyTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 5348
    • Show only replies by Iggy
Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 05:39:03 AM »
@ Ami_GFX

Got it.
Looking forward to the arrival of an '040 card, should blow the stock 8MHz 68000 away.
Logged
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

Offline matt3k

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 11:59:15 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;740690
If I find an EGS-28/24 Spectrum, should I use the EGS drivers or the picasso96 drivers?

Also, does anyone remember the website for those pre-configured workbench disks?


One thing you should remember is that the spectrum is not compatible with WHDLOAD.  

Cybergraphx is faster on some cards.  I like it more than p96.  

One last thing about the spectrum if yours has a jumper wire on the card by the video connector, make sure it is a solid connection.  It will cause problems if not.

If this is going in a z3 bus a cv64 or piv is much faster and a better card...
Logged
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 02:37:27 PM »
Quote from: matt3k;740727
One thing you should remember is that the spectrum is not compatible with WHDLOAD.  


Ah, but it does have a pass-through port, so as long as your RTG software is configured correctly to use it, it should be fine with native Amiga video. :)

@ thread

While P96 and CGX are the best options, EGS' one advantage is that it works on Kickstart 2. I've got an EGS Spectrum in a 2.x A3000. Yes, it is kludgy, but I think a lot of that is to work around the complete lack of non-native video support in 2.x. Kickstart 3 made some improvements in these areas, so P96 and CGX can integrate more smoothly.

One other cool thing about EGS is that it has built-in mode promotion support, so there's no need for a utility like ModePro if you're trying to force certain screens to use the Spectrum.
Logged
 

Offline matt3k

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2013, 03:09:36 PM »
Quote from: Matt_H;740731
Ah, but it does have a pass-through port, so as long as your RTG software is configured correctly to use it, it should be fine with native Amiga video. :)

If memory serves you will still have to remove the spectrum monitor or make your workbench a native ecs/aga screen before you can run WHDLoad.

Didn't realize that EGS works with 2x, that may come in handy...

I don't mind EGS or Retina EMU, yes there are benefits with CG/P96.  Have used an Amiga 2000 with a 040 and a retina z2 and it is a very nice combination.
Logged
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2013, 03:19:17 PM »
Quote from: matt3k;740733
If memory serves you will still have to remove the spectrum monitor or make your workbench a native ecs/aga screen before you can run WHDLoad.


Hmmm. That may actually be related to EGS' mode promotion feature. By default, a "Do you want to promote this screen?" requester pops up for every single screen that opens (even Blanker!). I could see how that could cause trouble as WHDLoad is trying to do its thing.

Do you know if this happens on CGX/P96 as well?
Logged
 

Offline matt3k

Re: EGS-28/24 Spectrum
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2013, 03:44:32 PM »
Quote from: Matt_H;740736
Hmmm. That may actually be related to EGS' mode promotion feature. By default, a "Do you want to promote this screen?" requester pops up for every single screen that opens (even Blanker!). I could see how that could cause trouble as WHDLoad is trying to do its thing.

Do you know if this happens on CGX/P96 as well?

I'm not sure about EGS and WHDLoad.  But with CGX and P96, I'm almost positive you can't be in a RTG WB screen and run WHDLoad on a spectrum.  This is documented in the WHDLoad manual somewhere, fairly certain it is a hardware issues with the spectrum, so it should show up with any driver...
Logged
 
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
« previous next »