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Old 01-27-2013, 05:04 PM   #16
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

No insults here, but when someone answer "great, start coding" is a wate of time... if you want to moderate do it but dont invent insults... no more replys about this.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:38 PM   #17
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

What was in the original post a great idea and such dream of mine to have a modern browser on an a classic Amiga, enough so to be able to have the browser smart enough to convert youtube videos into a format that can run in a classic Amiga with CPU 030 such as HV format but live stream so you do not wait days and HD space consumption doing it for each video you watch in youtube..and other cool features such as up to date HTML 5 support, css, javascript, php, etc....to a childish Pickering. Where are the adults I wonder?
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:27 PM   #18
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

I wonder what could be done with Odyssey?
I don't know that an Amiga would have enough power to display html5.
But the idea of a conversion filter is intriguing.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:47 PM   #19
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

Video conversion takes time. In it'd take longer to convert a video stream and play that than it would to run the original clip in veeeery sloooow slideshow fashion. There's also a lot of other "simple" modern standards that'd struggle on any 680x0 cpu (including an overclocked 680x0 which is 10x+ the speed of any '030).

This isnt to say a more modernised browser isnt possible, it just sounds like some people are expecting too much from the good 'ol classics.

My suggestion would be to set up an organised effort, with (realistic) bounty goals clearly defined. The current expectations of a 68k browser with everything and the kitchen sink probably makes it hard for an interested person to take such a thing seriously. A more basic browser supporting CSS and javascript (netsurf isnt bad, but lack of javascript is quite limiting) is way more realistic/reasonable in my opinion.

As for the suggestion theres no coders, etc. remaining...... thats one of the craziest things Ive heard in a while.
Currently "amiga" (os3.x/4.x/mos/aros) coders are writing 3 entirely new oses, along with collectively thousands of pieces of software. OS3.x is still getting work done on it and new ports and software done. Heck, even one of the "NG" options has multiple versions (x86,x86-64,arm,ppc,68k, assorted hosted versions, etc.).
Despite all the bickering and stupidity in this community when I sit back I cant help but be impressed what this community has achieved with so little resources.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:07 PM   #20
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

What would really be useful in a 68k browser is a Javascript whitelist feature such as NoScript provides for Firefox. An improved JS engine would be nice, but ultimately there's just too much JS bloat on modern websites; even modern systems get dragged down by it. A whitelist would at least help to contain the insanity; as is, I spend more time in iBrowse waiting for scripts to time out than I do actually looking at webpages.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:38 AM   #21
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

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What you could do is set up a sub domain on a1k and we could look at installing a suitably modified version of the code on it to cope with whatever forum engine you ultimately go for.
What about a local HTTP proxy? that would save some bandwidth
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:05 AM   #22
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

There is no way that current 68k amigas could display videos from net. I really doesn't understand where those unrealistic / impossible wishes cames.

Netsurf is propaply only possible solution. It is only semi modern browse wich has planed to work with low spec hardware. AMR6 30mhz and 16mb ram.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:39 AM   #23
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

Sadly I have to agree with the last few comments. playing streamed video on 030, converted or not, is not going to work. Web-based javascript these days (think jquery, canvas etc) is way too intensive to play on any classic Amiga. The only thing that would be possible is (better) CSS support. That would already make a huge difference! If there was going to be a bounty, it should be just that.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:39 AM   #24
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

Even basic CSS support for IBrowse would be very nice to have.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:38 AM   #25
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

Crazy idea?
Regarding the streaming of video, wouldn´t it be possible that the video is converted in the "cloud" to the possible format (more or less uncompressed) and than just downloaded/streamed because nowadays a lot of people have flatrates?
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:28 AM   #26
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

no. streaming or sending the data uncompressed (which is already a very difficult task to get right) means you need loads of bandwidth at first. and then your machine needs to be able to handle all this data in time, too. the classic Amiga is not equipped for that.

Also, converting in the 'cloud' ? I think you are mixing up cloud computing and cloud storage here. both possible, but not for free.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:03 AM   #27
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

An improved iBrowse supporting a basic CSS would be already enough.

There is no need for videos and other crazy impossible stuff!
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:26 AM   #28
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Default Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

netsurf and aros owb 68k prove a css browser is possible at least on 060. optimized plotter that doesnnt just render the whole content new even when just scrolling would make it even faster. trade off antialiasing on fonts might bring another speedup. one just needs to do that.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:28 AM   #29
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No forget about video, even on my 060 its not really great, granted I do use AGA, but still.

Stick to html, css and javascript
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:42 AM   #30
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This upset a few classic users that couldn't use the site after the update. So, I wrote a small degrader proxy in PHP that parses the markup and degrades it into (far obsoleted) HTML that iBrowse (and AWeb) can cope with.

Compare this site in iBrowse versus this one: http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/

What you could do is set up a sub domain on a1k and we could look at installing a suitably modified version of the code on it to cope with whatever forum engine you ultimately go for.
Karlos, I use this on my A1200 all the time. Can the parser replace the bad grammer as well? J/K

I always wondered if you had a similar proxy for EAB?

Thanks!
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