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Old 12-02-2012, 08:45 PM   #41
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Default Re: MorphOS for Sam460

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One rig to run them all, one rig to find them,
One rig to bring them all and in the hobby bind them.
Very nicely put!

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"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC, and MORPHOS.

Well I guess all those people who complain about used hardware can shut up now, if you really want brand new hardware for morphOS there it is.

Me? I'd rather buy a good condition powermac g4 for a tenth of the price.
I just don't see how ACube could be staying in business on the Amiga alone. They've got to have industrial customers behind the scenes making use of the features and ports not used - and sometimes not even present - on the "consumer" versions of the boards (i.e., the ones we see).

Who knows, 20 years from now maybe some municipal lighting system will be overhauled and we'll see SAMs unearthed from within the old control stations.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:46 PM   #42
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And that would be different to now?

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What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?
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This is good news!
Both red & blue, I salute you!
Gets me thinking of buying the SAM for both OS's.

Now bring on the benchmarks !!
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:16 AM   #44
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AFAIK it is using the onboard SM502 without hardware acceleration. I dont know if any r200 video cards are supported on this board yet. On the other hand you dont need another SATA controller to install/use MorphOS on this machine.
I got the impression from the video that they must be running SM502. It's really weak and benches around the same as a Permedia 2 on an A1200 in GFXBench2D.
Shouldn't the R200 driver work out of the box anyway. Despite that I think it makes sense to support the lowest common denominator since not every Sam460 owner will have an R200 card.

This is a very early alpha and could be some time before a release by which time MorphOS might well be supporting cards cards newer than R300 anyway.

I look forward to seeing more details on this project.
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And that would be different to now?
Apart from updates to OS4, what other support do you think they should be providing?

The above comment is not just directed at Persia but at all those who keep making absurd digs about Hyperion not supporting SAM boards.
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It's really weak and benches around the same as a Permedia 2 on an A1200 in GFXBench2D.
Shouldn't the R200 driver work out of the box anyway. Despite that I think it makes sense to support the lowest common denominator since not every Sam460 owner will have an R200 card.
The SM502 does have 2D acceleration though, which I doubt is being used here?

It also have true overlay support!



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This is a very early alpha and could be some time before a release by which time MorphOS might well be supporting cards cards newer than R300 anyway.
I'd chose a fully supported R200/R300 card (2D, 3D, overlay) any day over a RadeonHD with only 2D though. And I also rather have those features *now* on a R200/R300, than having to wait for them to be released at some unknown point in the future (can take years for all we know).

The 3D in R200/R300 is kind of more than enough for the SW we have (and can hope for as well) and MorphOS drivers are really fast on this front, VRAM is enough on most cards, and most cards happily displays all resolutions most normal people would ever need. All in all, it's good enough. And I'm looking forward to see the R300 fully developed.

Putting a Radeon HD into something like a Sam 460 is like squeezing in a Ferrari engine in an old Trabant; you wouldn't be able to go very fast anyway. Faster, yes, but very far from the engines full capability. The Ferrari engine may be modern and high performing, but the old Trabby certainly isn't and wouldn't be able to cope. IMHO of course.

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Apart from updates to OS4, what other support do you think they should be providing?

The above comment is not just directed at Persia but at all those who keep making absurd digs about Hyperion not supporting SAM boards.
Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.

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Why are you trying to turn this into some sort of points scoring exercise?
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Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.

And MorphOS doesn't support all the features of the macs it runs on either, powerbooks and emacs being the case in point. I wouldn't say they are not supporting the hardware, these are small companies and things take time. Welcome to the reality of niche computing.
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And MorphOS doesn't support all the features of the macs it runs on either, powerbooks and emacs being the case in point. I wouldn't say they are not supporting the hardware, these are small companies and things take time. Welcome to the reality of niche computing.


What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?

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Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.


Sorta like supporting built-in wifi with drivers.
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So, any chance of seeing MorphOS 3.x for classic?
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So, any chance of seeing MorphOS 3.x for classic?
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What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?




Can you dumb it down a bit more? Thanks.
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Question Re: MorphOS for Sam460

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is this effort being worked on by a single individual, or the entire team? at what point can SAM owners expect to know what on-board hardware will be supported, such as audio via the SM502? are there any plans to eventually support newer radeon HD video cards, or will R200-series cards be the main focus in the immediate future?

very much looking forward to seeing MOS on the SAM460ex!

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What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?

That would depend on the reasoning behind it. Strategic partnership too much of an effort to comprehend? Any driver written by Acube for OS4 is part of a strategic partnership from both companies, Acube wouldn't be writing jack for OS4 without the deal with Hyperion in the first place.

BTW, This isn't the first time you've made the effort to be blatantly insulting to me. Maybe I said something offensive to you in the past, if so, please let me know so we can resolve it. I am getting just a bit sick of the attitude I get whenever I reply to one of your posts and if there is any actual reason for it I would rather deal with it. If not, well.... ¯\(°_o)/¯ ....maybe therapy!?
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No.
Well, I realise that's up to the team, but IMHO it's a shame.
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Well, I realise that's up to the team, but IMHO it's a shame.
what MorphOS 1.4 30 minute limited not good enough for you karlos
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what MorphOS 1.4 30 minute limited not good enough for you karlos
1.4.5 for classic is limited to 2 hours without keyfile, not 30 minutes.
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