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Old 12-02-2012, 02:26 AM   #21
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Default Re: MorphOS for Sam460

"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC, and MORPHOS.

Well I guess all those people who complain about used hardware can shut up now, if you really want brand new hardware for morphOS there it is.

Me? I'd rather buy a good condition powermac g4 for a tenth of the price.
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Good news for Sam 460 owners.

Now they can have new MorphOS without buying another system. ;-)
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"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC, and MORPHOS.
Yes it would explain why SAM is available in small quantities only. But SAM platform is an embedded platform. It is using an embedded CPU, it has got FPGA (useless to desktop users), it has got SM502 graphics adapter what is not very useful for desktop use (low resolution, lack of gfx acceleration) and many "useless" ports.

I dont know if Acube is selling those boards at all outside Amiga market but it certainly was designed for embedded customers not using Amiga. As an evaluation board there is always small, tiny demand.
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Old 12-02-2012, 02:39 AM   #24
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Absolutely! This certainly adds to my enthusiasm for grabbing a SAM460ex next year. One of the reasons I was so interested in getting a pegasos2 was the ability to run both AmigaOS and MorphOS on the same machine -- and I enjoy the ability to do so. I also hope this might lead to support for RadeonHD cards on MorphOS eventually.

In fact with AmigaOS 4.1, MorphOS, and AROS all eventually able to run natively on the SAM460ex, it might not be the fastest next-generation Amiga system, but it certainly will be the most compatible. Rock on, Acube!

Edit: For those of you on Facebook there is a video of the MorphOS prototype booting up.

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That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released
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I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet....
Man, the Blue heretics and Red devils, it is scoccer game?
because I'm both, I have MOS and OS4 and OS3.9
Now we have a chance of squeeze our Sam460ex series.
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Is there a multiboot selector? because with so OS for the Sams where choose, it is incredible, 5 OS availables for this board.
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That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released
it's early days, but the thing will fly once completed. OS4 is brilliantly fast on that little board, especially the development builds i got to play with at amiwest this year, so i'm sure MOS will be equally as fast, if not faster.

does anyone know if the MOS version for the SAM will support the onboard SM502, or will it require a R200 video board? and what about sound: will it support the SM502 or need a third-party sound card? if it were up to me, i'd skip bothering with the SM502 -- slow and poor documentation. nearly everyone who already has one of these machines uses another video card, albeit a radeon HD card. with u-boot being updated to support PCIe-to-PCI bridges, there's really no need to futz with the siliconmotion chip.

who's working on the port, by the way? is it just frank or are others involved?

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Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...
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Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...
One can only dream.
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What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?
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That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released
AFAIK it is using the onboard SM502 without hardware acceleration. I dont know if any r200 video cards are supported on this board yet. On the other hand you dont need another SATA controller to install/use MorphOS on this machine.
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Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for.
Therefore they would never have appeared on most of our shopping lists without Hyperion's involvement and MorphOS wouldn't be on a platform that's currently being manufactured. My point to begin with.
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Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...
Better to spend the time putting OS4 on a portable machine I think, but it would be amusing.

So, when do we get MorphOS for X1000?
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Therefore they would never have appeared on most of our shopping lists without Hyperion's involvement and MorphOS wouldn't be on a platform that's currently being manufactured. My point to begin with.
ACube is obviously important partner to Hyperion, no doubt about it.

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Tell your friends to wait for X2000 instead.
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"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.
I'm not so sure about "hundreds of embedded solutions" being a tenth or less of the cost. Embedded hardware for industrial purposes tends to be on the expensive side. I once sent a price enquiry to an embedded hardware manufacturer for a CompactPCI motherboard, and these guys were charging ~$2000 US just for the Linux drivers for the onboard peripherals! That's on top of the cost of the board, and the backplane, etc. Needless to say, they were dumped from the list pretty quickly. Nevertheless, they were solely selling embedded systems to industry...

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What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?
When was the last time they directly supported ACube's hardware? SAM440s?
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Hey cool, I was just wondering how to do code testing on Morphos. Now the only remaining challenge is how to quadruple-boot the 460...
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