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Old 11-11-2012, 06:29 PM   #31
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2GB would make for one hell of a RAM disk.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:31 PM   #32
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You have never had a buggy program allocate all your memory?
Some kind of runaway Malloc() in a loop or somesuch? Nope.

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Vbbc is the only program that has ran out of memory for me on a high optimization level but it also has some bugs.
Maybe it ran out of memory because you didn't have 3GB installed

With 128MB, you have only filled 1/32 of your memory map with actual memory. Maybe Vbcc just expects more.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:51 PM   #33
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I would be happy to put support behind the UltimatePPC for the above but have a new source for USB, Ethernet, FlashROM style KS boards, SATA solutions and such. FPGA seems like a great way to integrate new hardware into Classic architecture and a more current PPC option that runs the OS 4.1 would keep me happy. Let us not forget that vintage USB solutions go for $200+, NIC's for $100+, PPC's $800 to $1,200, etc.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:41 AM   #34
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Ok guys, I think some people are getting carried away and taking this in a direction that I didn't want. I can see what you guys want long-term and I will do everything I can to make it happen long term, but I need to think short-term as well. What I want from you now is what do you want NOW. What sort of thing, a realistic thing that can be done some time soon would you like produced? Think small. Don't think super-high-tech-revolutionize-way-we-use-our-Amigas, think small upgrade boards, think little projects. What's something simple that you'd like to have? Anything that's no longer in production that could be resurrected, like I am doing for the Thylacine? I promise you I will take all of your suggestions into consideration and really give a go at a fancy new accelerator or even replacement motherboard, but this is a long way away still, several months at least. Also, let me say again for those who missed it:

I AM NOT GOING TO PRODUCE COMPLEX MULTILAYER BOARDS WITH SUPERFINE TRACES IN HOUSE.

I think this has been a misunderstood issue and one that has taken away all the credibility of this project in the eyes of those who really understand PCB fabrication. I am well aware of what is involved in producing such things, and I have no desire to either spend many tens of thousands (at least) on the equipment or try and attempt to laminate my own multi-layer boards (the concept makes me shiver even thinking about it) so banish that thought. I am fully aware of how much cheaper it is to do it through a company, and I absolutely will be doing that. For simple small projects involving single or double sided boards with no internal layers, I will be doing the production myself because for single boards or small runs I have worked out I can save money and pass the savings on to you. If I get an order for 50 Thylacine boards for example, I am not going to make them all by hand, I will send them out. If I get someone who wants 1 and I have no other orders I can bundle together at the time, then I will churn it out myself because it's cheaper for me and cheaper for you.

Please don't take me as being rude, I love your suggestions and I love the ideas people have expressed, but can we please move the discussion away from the long-term and theoretical and more to the concrete short-term? I value every one of your thoughts and suggestions, but let's not get caught up on one thing and lose sight of what I'm really trying to do initially.

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Old 11-12-2012, 12:58 AM   #35
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If you are going to add RTG to the card then might I suggest something cheap and well documented with tons of example source code for the driver writers: The same chip that the Raspberry Pi uses.
Umm... The Raspberry Pi uses an SoC. That's System on a Chip in case you haven't heard the term before. It means the CPU and GPU are both on the same chip. Surely you don't want the ARM v6 processor introduced into the design, do you? Also, only the user-level registers are documented publicly for the GPU. The video BIOS for it is still a closed-source binary blob.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:49 AM   #36
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What I want from you now is what do you want NOW. What sort of thing, a realistic thing that can be done some time soon would you like produced? Think small.
Some sort of USB solution for wedge Amigas ?
Keyboard membrane replacements ?
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:12 AM   #37
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Some sort of USB solution for wedge Amigas ?
Keyboard membrane replacements ?
A USB solution for the A500 will be no problem to offer immediately, I will do up a version of the Thylacine for the A500. The 600 and 1200 will be a bit more difficult, but I think some sort of clockport solution shouldn't be very hard to accomplish.

Keyboard membranes will be offered in short order. Someone on another forum is sending me a bunch of membranes for me to either clone outright or make functional equivalents of. My equipment can already handle keyboard style membranes with no issue, so I will keep you posted as to the progress on those.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:37 AM   #38
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Whoa man you are really great
I'll have to find some additional jobs so I can buy everything you make

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A USB solution for the A500 will be no problem to offer immediately, I will do up a version of the Thylacine for the A500. The 600 and 1200 will be a bit more difficult, but I think some sort of clockport solution shouldn't be very hard to accomplish.
Yes, well A600 and A1200 need it more I wouldn't have much use of it on my A500. But sure would on my A600 and A1200. Still, A500 will get more important as IDE interfaces on various cards start selling.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:51 AM   #39
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Keyboard membrane replacements ?
Yuk, membrane keyboards Isn't it time our Amigas got quality mechanical keyboards with Cherry MX switches?

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2GB of RAM would be the absolute safe limit for OS3.x, simply due to the signed pointer / size arithmetic that goes on here and there as mentioned by matthey.
You're kidding, right? I mean, signed pointers and signed size arithmetic? What the hell were they thinking? Makes no sense at all.

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Old 11-12-2012, 04:00 AM   #40
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Yuk, membrane keyboards Isn't it time our Amigas got quality mechanical keyboards with Cherry MX switches?
Do you mean complete new keyboards altogether ? Or to modify the existing ones ?
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:21 AM   #41
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Yuk, membrane keyboards Isn't it time our Amigas got quality mechanical keyboards with Cherry MX switches?
10000% agree!

Membrane keyboards are horrifically antiergonomical and evil.

Certain A2000 keyboards came with Cherry Black switches. ahhhhh what a joy to type on.

Sadly, no A3000 or A4000 keyboards came with Cherry switches and the A3000 diabolically evil membrane keyboards in particular were prone to failure after some years.

I would like to propose as a project that you produce an AMIGA keyboard using uniform 45g Topre switches and a PS/2 interface. You could sell a lot of these to nonamiga users too because normal Topre keyboards have been rigged by the manufacturer to NOT WORK with PS/2.

I have spent all week trying to buy a $300.00 Topre keyboard but Japan Inc. just won't sell me one. They will sell me several different models of Topre keyboards but they are all USB and have been sabotaged to not work with a PS/2 adapter.

I have had a PS/2 adapter on several of my Amigas since 1990s and I want to buy a couple of Topre keyboards for them. Grrr. Looks like I am stuck buying and trying Cherry Reds instead. I will probably end up spending $2000.00 on different keyboards since nobody will make the consumer what the consumer actually wants.
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Do you mean complete new keyboards altogether ? Or to modify the existing ones ?
New ones. Amiga keyboards suck.

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Membrane keyboards are horrifically antiergonomical and evil.
Membrane and rubber dome keyboards are a load of crap

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I would like to propose as a project that you produce an AMIGA keyboard using uniform 45g Topre switches and a PS/2 interface.
Topre is expensive, and Cherry MX switches are fine.

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Looks like I am stuck buying and trying Cherry Reds instead.
Nothing wrong with Cherry.
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New ones. Amiga keyboards suck.
That's fine with me, but they must have Amiga keys layout. No PC keyboards with stickers and adapters. If it's gonna be done, it has to be done right
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:01 AM   #44
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New ones. Amiga keyboards suck.
Yes they do, except for the ones with Cherry Black switches.


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Membrane and rubber dome keyboards are a load of crap
True dat.

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True dat 2. But there are so many Cherry switches. Hard to pick just one

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Nothing wrong with Cherry.
My fingers are 1000x more sensitive than yours. I want to try both Cherry and Topre. Neither are perfect. The perfect keyboard switch has yet to be mass-produced. It is just that both Cherry and Topre are 128x better than membrane high-impact antiergonomical evil diabolical treacherous devious smash-ur-finger-into-an-immoveable-object-on-every-keypress keyboards.
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That's fine with me, but they must have Amiga keys layout. No PC keyboards with stickers and adapters. If it's gonna be done, it has to be done right
You can simply buy keycaps with the Amiga "A" printed on instead of that abominable M$ logo. But u hafta buy 1000+ at a time.

Or you can just buy blank keycaps without having to do anything special. And you can buy as many as u want. If the Amiga keys are blank, everyone will know what they are. Or u could put a sticker on it if a blank key bothers u.
There are many solutions.
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