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faulty a500 testing...
« on: June 21, 2012, 03:50:35 PM »
Simple question really...

I have an A500 that does nothing more than a constant blinking power light.

Would it be "safer" to take all the chips from the faulty motherboard, and put them in a good motherboard

or

take the known good chips, and put them in the faulty board?

And why! I can pick one on my own with no real basis for the decision, so I'd like to hear reasons why.

thanks! :)
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 04:26:14 PM »
From wikipedia:
Quote from: Amiga 500
The keyboard LED uses blink codes where 1-blink means the keyboard ROM has a checksum error, 2-blinks means RAM failure, 3-blinks means watchdog timer failure.[11] Using caps lock key and getting a response means CIA and the CPU works.[11]
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 04:34:32 PM »
sorry, it is the caps lock light thats constantly blinking, not the power light.

its constant, not a code.

But that isnt the question, which would be safer to not risk damaging the working hardware?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 04:51:31 PM by AmmoJammo »
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 06:41:41 PM »
Logic dictates that it would be better to try the suspicipous chips in a working motherboard.

But then again, logic doesn't get you far in Amiga land :)

Wait for more answers before you try anything, please :D
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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 06:49:23 PM »
I would think a bad motherboard would be more likely to damage chips than a bad chip would be to damage a motherboard.

So I'd take a known good motherboard, and place the questionable chips in him, one at a time.

If you find a bad chip, it's most likely just the chip, but it could be something on the motherboard burning out the chip.

I don't know that I've seen that tho..  Mostly I've just seen chips needing to be replaced.

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 09:38:55 PM »
Um.. how about you try booting the machine without the keyboard connected? :)

Anyway... all Amiga's should boot without a keyboard or when the keyboard is faulty. The first thing to try is to swap the CIA chips. They both control different sides of the Amiga peripherals and some internal timing.

By swapping the CIA's first you might get a different boot problem.
IF you get further into the boot sequence then begin to swap chips. It is very unusual to burn out something on the motherboard unless you have inserted parallel/serial/mouse cables while the machine is powered on.

This is a good way to fry CIA's and sometimes the logic on that port, resister or diodes etc

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 12:52:13 AM »
it doesn't work with no keyboard either, it doesn't work swapping in a known good keyboard.

Hence, I was going to start swapping chips ;)
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 01:06:05 PM »
started swapping chips, putting the "bad" chips in the "good" A500.

started at the front, till I got to the second to last chip, "odd cia"

and sure enough, the "good" board displayed the same symptom as the "bad" that is, a constantly flashing caps lock light...

so, I put all the "good" chips in the "bad" board, including the "good" odd cia chip...

no more flashing caps lock!! except, it does nothing... lol, no kickstart screen, no floppy drive trying to boot...

hrrmm...
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 06:20:51 PM »
you should be careful with that approach. maybe something on the board made that chip malfunction.
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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 05:44:18 AM »
I kinda figured the ODD CIA would have been damaged by plugging or unplugging something with the computer on, so didn't think I'd hurt it, plus I have a spare "even cia" chip anyway ;)
 
the floppy drive was plugged in incorrectly when I first got the machine, not backwards, but 2 pins off, could this have damaged something else that will cause the computer to do nothing?
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 06:02:40 AM »
Caps lock can be turned on and off for a few seconds after turning the mother board on but then it stops responding.
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 09:59:35 AM »
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Caps lock can be turned on and off for a few seconds after turning the mother board on but then it stops responding.


That means the mainboard isn't acknowleding the KB controller's send attempts - once the internal queue fills up the LED isn't changing any more.

Amigas boot up fine w/o a keyboard.

I'd swap the chips one for one into a working machine to see if they work. Usually one of the CIAs, Gary or the CPU are fried.
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 10:01:02 AM »
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the floppy drive was plugged in incorrectly when I first got the machine, not backwards, but 2 pins off, could this have damaged something else that will cause the computer to do nothing?


This could've damaged a CIA or even Paula.
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 10:07:40 AM »
yes it had a faulty odd cia, its been swapped for a known good one, ALL of the socketed chips have been.
 
the original issue that presented itself as a flashing caps lock light has gone, but the motherboard still does nothing, other than have a functional caps lock key/light for about 3 seconds.
 
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could this have damaged something else that will cause the computer to do nothing?

that is, other than the socketed chips, which have all been swapped.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2012, 11:48:38 PM by AmmoJammo »
 

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Re: faulty a500 testing...
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2012, 02:15:35 AM »
Paula and the CIA's do all the glue logic for the floppy drive and DMA sections to the memory bus. So your incorrectly inserted floppy header most likely did damage to Paula, Odd and Even CIA and probably Gary as well.

So you will need to buy/find/steal some extra CIA's so you can check Odd and Even with new reliable known working chips. Then Paula, lastly swap  Gary.

If the mobo still fails to boot....  buy an A3000 :)

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