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Old 05-07-2012, 03:30 PM   #196
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A simple pop-in faceplate, I'd think.
I'd have to find them for both the 3.5" and the slim drive, or just provide the case as is and up to the user?

Checking on google...
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:05 PM   #197
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Personally i don't like the white so much. What i would really like to see is a camoflauge painted wedge case. I've always wanted a milspec Amiga.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:25 PM   #198
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Personally i don't like the white so much. What i would really like to see is a camoflauge painted wedge case. I've always wanted a milspec Amiga.
For an extra $20, The Daddy will supply you with cans of black, brown and green spray paint.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:29 PM   #199
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I did a whole car once.

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Old 05-07-2012, 05:47 PM   #200
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I did a whole car once.

Half-arsed job. I can still see it.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #201
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Half-arsed job. I can still see it.
Yeah, he forget to paint the windows and remove all the flashing lights!
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Half-arsed job. I can still see it.
That made me spew beer from my nostrils!
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:53 PM   #203
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As a long time Amiga user I take offence when a commersial enity behaves like CUSA.
Even if they call it "Friendly" (which they do not mean at all).
Also, Is it me or is this tradmark/copyright/patent protection hunting getting sickening?
I am starting to take an active stand against corporations that use this hard enforcement behaviour
against smaller parties. I do not care if they protect ther "IP" since all it does is strangle and kill
crativity as well as development (not to mention invention).

Once it was a way to protect inventions and give the inventor/corporation a chance to earn back
profit before it became common knowledge for all to use.
Nowdays it's all about simple greed and monopoly. I am sick about it.

Those corporations end upp on my "black list" and I stop giving them my money.
Simle really. More should do the same and maybe they would alter their tone and behaviour.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:26 PM   #204
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@proteus
This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
The two are not equivalent and you are misinterpreting the situation.
We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
It was not an innocent mistake.
Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:30 PM   #205
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"We're not a big bad company trying to hurt people, except when we take petty revenge for imagined slights!"
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:33 PM   #206
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Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
Provercation and publicity stunt? I think you must be talking about C-USA considering your unethical actions.

Keep it up Ben, you're fooling nobody here.

What he did was "fair use" in the same way Goodyear show their tires fitted to Ford cars or Toyotas. You really need to remember just how small and insignificant you are. The clock is ticking. Barry's furniture is only going to support you for so long and then you're out of here.

You would also do well to remember he is located in the EU.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:37 PM   #207
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@proteus
This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
The two are not equivalent and you are misinterpreting the situation.
We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
It was not an innocent mistake.
Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
No, you don't, do you. I quit counting the number of people I've spoken to here that have said they won't consider your products based on your behavior here.

And once again, you come here and make a complete unprofessional arse of yourself? I assume business school or PR training isn't on your resume, eh?

I hate wedge cases. I'll buy the case TheDaddy is offering just to support the cause. Many others will as well. And the FIRST THING I am gonna do is slap a Commodore sticker on one side, and on the other side - an Amiga sticker. I'll put the build process videos on YouTube in HD. Hey, I'm just a guy slapping stickers on a case, I ain't selling anything.

Every public statement you make about this issue Leo, there's a guy reading it that may have been considering your product, but when he reads your nonsense he makes a decision to NOT deal with your company due to the unprofessional aspects. Why aren't you understanding all of this? It pains me to see people making the same mistakes over and over again.

You botched it when you tried to do a C&D on a public forums, in public. Now it's like watching a guy shoot himself over and over in the foot.

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Old 05-07-2012, 08:46 PM   #208
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This is about trademarks, not about inventions.
Remember the stolen pictures C-USA used? Did those motherboards in the fake pictures have your trademark on them or someone else's? How about when you ripped off Disney because you don't quite understand what "partner" means? Any mention of Windows on your website? Hope you paid M$ to use it.

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We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.
Only saying this because we busted you after all of the lies.

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It isn't about hunting anyone....it is about intent.
C-USA's intent to screw the Amiga name.

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He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.
Except he didn't do anything wrong. Care to make me out a list of everything C-USA did wrong? It would be a big list and as CTO you are responsible.

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It was not an innocent mistake.
C-USA's lies? We know that, no it wasn't.

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Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.
Pointing out your lies? Want to quote the personal attacks made by C-USA on The Daddy both in public and in private?

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He is using trademarks in his publicity materials he knows very well he cannot use legally. End of story.
Fair use policy. He's not selling anything using your logos, he's showing a fan design, just like fans use Star Trek Logos or Star Wars logos. Complain if he sells it with your logos showing.

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We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you.
Nah, just out of desperation and "under orders".

Tick, tock... tick, tock... tick, tock...
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:54 PM   #209
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FAIR USE OF TRADEMARKS UNDER US LAW:

In the United States, trademark law includes a fair use defense, sometimes called "trademark fair use" to distinguish it from the better-known fair use doctrine in copyright. As with copyright law, the trademark fair use doctrine is premised in significant part on the First Amendment guarantees of free speech. Fair use is consistent with the more limited protection granted to trademarks, generally specific only to the particular product market and geographic area of the trademark owner.

Most trademarks are adapted from words or symbols already common to the culture, as Apple, Inc. is from apple, instead of being invented by the mark owner (such as Kodak). Courts have recognized that ownership in the mark cannot prevent others from using the word or symbol in these other senses, such as if the trademark is a descriptive word or common symbol such as a pine tree. This means that the less distinctive or original the trademark, the less able the trademark owner will be to control how it is used.

A nonowner may also use a trademark nominatively*—to refer to the actual trademarked product or its source. In addition to protecting product criticism and analysis, United States law actually encourages nominative usage by competitors in the form of comparative advertising

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Nominative use:

Nominative use, also "nominative fair use", is a legal doctrine that provides an affirmative defense to trademark infringement as enunciated by the United States Ninth Circuit, by which a person may use the trademark of another as a reference to describe the other product, or to compare it to their own. Nominative use may be considered to be either related to, or a type of "trademark fair use" (sometimes called "classic fair use" or "statutory fair use")



In C-USA's case, you can't even say that The Daddy is infringing on YOUR tradmark as he could be comparing his X500 with the real "Amiga" computer which you have absolutely bugger-all to do with.
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Don't confuse him with facts, Darrin. It'll make his brain itch, which will result in another 4 days of delusional ramblings..
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