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Old 05-01-2012, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default debian hardinfo benchmarks

1st graph where lower bar means better result:


2nd graph where higher bar means better result:


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Sam440ep-Flex 800MHz and AmigaONE X1000 1.8GHz: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...71&forum=34&22
PowerBook G4 1.67GHz: my own test run
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:56 AM   #2
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

Nice to know how slow x1000 is. So much for "Modern hardware specs".
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:08 AM   #3
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

This is the peak performance OS4 system, sold as new in 2012, being beaten by a 2005 level Mac *laptop*. It seems the A1X1K can't play 1080p video without GPU acceleration (that's not even there anyway), which a 2005 level PowerMac can do with no problem. Well at least it's cheap. Oh wait, $3,000...

Pegasos 2's, Amigaone's, Apple HW etc from 2004 are still being used today (although *this is* running them on overtime). If this life span is applied to the Amigaone X1000, sold as new in 2012 with sub-2005 level performance, it means that this is what many OS4 users will be using in 2020. If there still is a OS4 by then, which I'm not entirely certain about, given the chosen path they are travelling.

Madness. But it's not like they weren't warned...
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:20 AM   #4
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

With linux will be more interesting benchmark with LAme, Blender and Mplayer.
Hardinfo seems give strange results.

FPU in fpu-fft on X1000 is faster than Powerbook, but it's slower in raytracing..
and X1000 in cpu is slower than Powerbook but with n-queens is faster..
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:17 AM   #5
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

1) I am very dubious about the results and how a single core can beat up two cores' cpu. Was the software used for benchmarking designed to take advantage of PA6T's both cores?
2) The fastest OS4.x was Pegasos II. A1X1k should be faster than a G4 ~1.1Ghz (I believe). Still, benchmarking in Debian is pointless since no one is gonna buy a similar unit to run solely linux on it, as a primary targeted OS (develop, used for simple task everyday tasks etc).
3) I think that PA6T was already on the market (meaning, shipped to various developers) by 2007. That's already 5 years ago. So no one could characterize it as "modern" by any means.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:39 AM   #6
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The fastest OS4.x was Pegasos II. A1X1k should be faster than a G4 ~1.1Ghz (I believe).
The Pegasos 2 G4 was 1.0GHz (although easily overclocked).

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Still, benchmarking in Debian is pointless since no one is gonna buy a similar unit to run solely linux on it
I think this Linux benchmarking is a response to some people dismissing *the previous* set of benchmarks made on OS4 (and MorphOS) as "pointless", since those benchmarks didn't test the *HW* in an identical way (the differencies in OS's would impact results too much) and OS4 in its current state couldn't make full use of the A1X1K hardware, etc, etc. Hence the Linux tests!

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So no one could characterize it as "modern" by any means.
Of course it's not "modern", it's being stomped by 2005 level Mac's!

But this is what they market as the peak performance Amigaone, today, in 2012.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:42 AM   #7
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

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Still, benchmarking in Debian is pointless since no one is gonna buy a similar unit to run solely linux on it
Why? This is a pure CPU benchmark and is extremely unlikely to perform significantly different on any other OS. Unless that OS is seriously broken or you f.e. change cache settings, CPU results are going to stay mostly the same. This gives a good overview of what the PA6T is capable of - in OS4 as well as Linux.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:48 AM   #8
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

My opinnion of AOS4 HWs state
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...orum=33#661434
In short:
Amiga HW technology gap (against wintel):
1986: ahead of all others
1993: 2 years behind? (ok (only) for instrumentation, video and games)
A1 2002: 5,8 years behind (ok CPU performance, otherwise...)
SAM440 2008: 8,6 years behind
SAM460 2010: 6 years behind
A1x1000 2011: 2,6 years behind (CPU is only in netbook level, otherwise ok)

So, current top of the line AOS4 HW is priced similarly to cheapest expandable Mac (PowerMac), it has y2006 caliber CPU, otherwise it has modern specs & expandability (when compared to mainstream shops).
What is not modern is the SW support, and untill that is fixed, it's not point to compare the modernity...

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btw... Anyone tried partition to partition copy speeds with observation on system responsiveness?
(I'm surpriced how much better SAM667Mhz is when compared to 3800+ AMD system with linux. I'm eager to see how x1000 handles the situation (initially I've read about 70MB/s copy speeds, 4x faster than my best x86 from y2008.).)
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:03 AM   #9
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What is the purpose of this thread? This is just a blue camp troll thread telling us why MOS is superior to OS4.x.

If you don't like the x1000 don't buy it, otherwise stop trolling.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:19 AM   #10
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What is the purpose of this thread? This is just a blue camp troll thread telling us why MOS is superior to OS4.x.

If you don't like the x1000 don't buy it, otherwise stop trolling.
As far as I can see it is just a similar thread to this one: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...topic_id=35671

But I guess that thread is just a troll thread telling us why x86 PC is superior to OS4 systems? I bet the SAM and X1000 owners posting their results really wanted to hurt and upset people by showing simple hardware facts about their systems. Right?
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:46 AM   #11
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Default Re: debian hardinfo benchmarks

surprisingly slow

are these benchmarks available for android? would like to see how my mobile compares to these(dual core qualcomm s3 at 1,5 GHz)
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:50 AM   #12
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As far as I can see it is just a similar thread to this one: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...topic_id=35671

But I guess that thread is just a troll thread telling us why x86 PC is superior to OS4 systems? I bet the SAM and X1000 owners posting their results really wanted to hurt and upset people by showing simple hardware facts about their systems. Right?
Your link is a bit too vague so maybe you could be more specific?

Anyway you must be daft if you really think Piru isn't using those silly graphs without having an agenda. He did it before when it first came out and now he is doing it again. In fact this is almost free advertising in favour of MOS and you and i both know who develops MOS.

You guys can use all the polls you like to try and prove that the x1000 is inferior and overpriced but it doesn't change anything. If i could afford it i would happily hand over the money for the obviously (according to Piru) outdated/overpriced x1000 if it means i don't have to use my $150 G4 Apple MacMini piece of **** anymore.

BTW, now i have your attention what is going on with the NatAmi? I'm getting worried...
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:32 AM   #13
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You guys can use all the polls you like
You know, it's tradition to actual read and (at least try to) understand a thread before contributing to it. There are no polls here, just a few facts.

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Anyway you must be daft if you really think Piru isn't using those silly graphs without having an agenda.
Like most MorphOS core developers, Piru suffers from the "me too!" syndrome. Imagine you've got the (allegedly) better OS, the better and cheaper hardware, you're on the market two years before your competitor - and absolutely nobody cares. That must be hard indeed, so let's be nice and cut Piru some slack.

But Piru just quoted some numbers here, most of which were actually posted by OS4 people. I don't see why his "agenda" would be relevant to those of us wanting to discuss these numbers?

Or, to give you some of your own advice: You don't like this thread? Don't read it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:42 AM   #14
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What is the purpose of this thread? This is just a blue camp troll thread telling us why MOS is superior to OS4.x.

If you don't like the x1000 don't buy it, otherwise stop trolling.
That would be nice if that was followed in other threads as well, but trolls will be trolls.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:43 AM   #15
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surprisingly slow

are these benchmarks available for android? would like to see how my mobile compares to these(dual core qualcomm s3 at 1,5 GHz)
This should be the month we find out.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:36 AM   #16
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As far as I can see it is just a similar thread to this one: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...topic_id=35671

But I guess that thread is just a troll thread telling us why x86 PC is superior to OS4 systems? I bet the SAM and X1000 owners posting their results really wanted to hurt and upset people by showing simple hardware facts about their systems. Right?
Never mind Kesa. Sometimes it's difficult to know whether he's "trolling or just stupid" but obviously he's kind of confused here.

- Doing benchmarks isn't something bad.
- Posting benchmarks online isn't something bad.
- Discussing these benchmarks isn't something bad either.

Of course not!

Trying to inflict some kind of selective taboo on civil discussions and measurable, enlightening test data (like Kesa just did above) is bad, however. And so is trying to sell a product by trying to hide information about its performance. Where were Kesa with his lectures about "agenda's" when some people threw stones at the MorphOS team for going the Mac route, mocking MorphOS's lack of "new" hardware? Well, it turned out that this "crappy old Mac HW" is just as good -or indeed even better- than the big Messiah computer those people put forward as the right way to go (at 1/20 of the cost), and *then* Kesa gets all upset! Which is kind of funny, since the whole benchmark initiative, as well as all the numbers (except the PowerMac), comes from the OS4 community, by *their* initiative! "Agenda?"

* Past MorphOS HW (Pegasos1/April, Pegasos2) was always better than OS4 HW (AmigaOne), and much cheaper.

* Current MorphOS HW (a whole flora of mainstream Mac machines in various shapes and forms) is better than current OS4 HW (Sam and A1X1K), and much cheaper.

* Future MorphOS HW (x86 or ARM, that's the question, maybe both?) will definitely be better than anything the OS4 people can put forward in batches of 30 units based on PPC, and much cheaper.

Once again, it turned out that the MorphOS team had the winning strategy. While still being tied to the PPC platform, they looked around themselves and noticed how the market was full of cheap mainstream HW that were more powerful than anything else on the PPC market, and they said to themselves: "Why don't we use that?", and so they did! The A1X1K is a horror-example of what you get when going in the opposite direction. But the thing is, so was the Sam460. And so was the Sam440 before that. Time and time again, it becomes evident that some people never learn! And no wonder, when all they seem wanting to do, is to put their head in the sand and forbid any kind of discussions on these subjects, and then push ahead with one crazy project after another! This is killing the OS4 platform (not that I really care, IMHO the OS4 project was completely redundant from Day 1, and the Amiga community would have been much better off without it)...
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That would be nice if that was followed in other threads as well, but trolls will be trolls.
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Couldn't agree more!
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Couldn't agree more!
You might remember that before hijacking another OS4 related thread.
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@Kesa

This thread is good news to Hyperion. There is nothing wrong in OS4 regarding raw CPU performance.
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@ Piru

can you please adjust the nice graphs you made to take into account the 2'nd core of the X1000

i'll let you guys get back to trolling & thanks for starting your own thread this time.
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