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[TheBilgeRat]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?

I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...

Jealousy

[desiv]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?

I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...

They don't. Not in general..
In fact, "Going to France" is considered a very high end / romantic vacation.

That being said, there is a general thought that people in France are "rude" to tourists (specifically American tourists I suppose).

Whether or not that's true in general, I doubt..
And in some cases, I'm sure it was true but deserved...
American tourists (and probably many others) can probably be pretty rude.
Remember, we're used to Disneyland as a vacation, and when the people of the local town don't act like the paid performers/staff at Disneyland, we don't know how to react.. ;-)

I'm guessing that there's a bit of cultural difference in there, and a bit of stereotyping too..

Personally, I blame Monty Python....
I know all of my perceptions of people from France comes from the soldiers and their viscous "tauntings" of King Arthur!!!!

:-)

desiv

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by TheBilgeRat

Jealousy

Not in the least.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by desiv

American tourists (and probably many others) can probably be pretty rude.

You want bad behavior?
You need Russian tourists.
Trust me, I work part time in a local four star hotel.

The biggest blow ups we've had were with Russian guests.

[Cosmos]

Originally Posted by desiv

That being said, there is a general thought that people in France are "rude" to tourists (specifically American tourists I suppose)

You must know that in France, we speak only french... Watch me with my pitty english...

Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

You must know that in France, we speak only french... Watch me with my pitty english...

Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!

Your English is fine Cosmos.
And your statement points to a primary difference between how our countrymen act.
When I run into someone who speaks poor English (or no English) I try to communicate.
The French tend to obfuscate in similar situations.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!

And I think that probably has a lot to do with it...

Americans expect people to be able to understand them (in general) when they travel.

The world is our EuroDisney..

;-)

desiv

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by desiv

And I think that probably has a lot to do with it...

Americans expect people to be able to understand them (in general) when they travel.

The world is our EuroDisney..

;-)

desiv

The frightening thing is, that since English is one of the most common second languages you usually can find someone who understands you.

Want to bet that when french tourists travel they don't keep up the pretense of speaking "only French".

[desiv]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Want to bet that when french tourists travel they don't keep up the pretense of speaking "only French".

I could use this as an example of the thought that people "assume" that everyone understands English...

I don't know if most French people also speak English...
I know many cultures do, but I'm not sure about the French...

Just had another thought (Ouch)..
I keep using the word "rude," but that's a behavior judgement based on cultural norms..
It could be that the French (in general, as I don't have specifics, not having traveled) don't consider their behavior rude, but we do... We're judging the way they act in their own country by our mores...

desiv

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by desiv

I could use this as an example of the thought that people "assume" that everyone understands English...

Sure, and if they don't understand you just speak slower and louder.

Actually, I'm not sure if its rude behavior or defensive.

And I certainly wouldn't want to hold up many Americans as paragons of polite behavior.

[paul1981]

Originally Posted by Iggy

You want bad behavior?
You need Russian tourists.
Trust me, I work part time in a local four star hotel.

The biggest blow ups we've had were with Russian guests.

I met a Russian once, and he was very rude and sarcastic. He spoke good English though.

[yssing]

It was not my intention to twist this thread into some sort of french bashing when I pointed out that it would reach a wider audience using english.

I currently study Multimedia Design at an international school in Denmark, we have many nationalities, russian, english, french, american, chinese and so on. I can assure you that none of them are rude in any way, in fact they are all quite nice and helpfull folks to be around.

Now, if we could get back on track, we might be a bit more constructive.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by yssing

It was not my intention to twist this thread into some sort of french bashing when I pointed out that it would reach a wider audience using english.

I currently study Multimedia Design at an international school in Denmark, we have many nationalities, russian, english, french, american, chinese and so on. I can assure you that none of them are rude in any way, in fact they are all quite nice and helpfull folks to be around.

Now, if we could get back on track, we might be a bit more constructive.

While I do agree with your original point, I didn't have that much trouble figuring out the French form (and I don't speak French).

On the original topic, does anyone have any idea how much Jens paid for the rights to the Apollo design?

[Crumb]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?

I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...

It's silly because it's people from Zaragoza the ones who should be angry after the 2nd napoleonic siege ;-) and we still invite french people to beers when you come here :-)

Bah! don't be serious about their "french fries" to "freedom fries" change, it's clear who were the first europeans in eating potatos, in frying them and in making the best omelettes with them (oh! and the first ones doing chocolate tablets too) ;-)

[magnetic]

Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?

Well English I can see due to 19th century history of warring between nations..

As far as Americans they are so brainwashed by Mainstream Media that if they were told to hate ice cream they would! When the French wouldnt give the UN go ahead for the US invasion of Iraq us media started a propaganda campaign against the French. (not to mention CointelPro disinformation and culture shaping efforts e.g "freedom fries")