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[persia]

@Dammy,

At least we are in agreement as to WHO the Amiga Community is....

Originally Posted by dammy

Then the community needs to get a petition together asking C=USA to lower the required number of units. Five hundred is not that significant number of units, it speaks volumes on the real world potential market strength of the online Amiga community.

[Duce]

After reading 30 pages of lies and half assed explanations in Barry's Q & A session, Dammy - why would ANYONE in the community want to have anything to do with C-USA? A company that has done nothing for us? Eh, let me correct myself - they were kind enough to send me veiled death threats via PM one time when I voiced polite opinions.

Yeah, maybe I'm the lone guy that found it "odd" that a 30 million dollar ad budget is now suddenly pinned on the ad agency. Just like how I found it odd the claims of being partners with Disney and everyone else, and now C-USA is being portrayed as "a small company that made some mistakes".

No, lol. You can't have it both ways, you can't put on the big boy pants and be condescending towards the entire community for YEARS, saying you are gunning for Apple, then flip the switch and be the little guy, trying to eek out an existance while gladhanding false apologies.

I'll ask you again, Dammy - you state how you have no business relationship with Commodore USA.

HOW DO YOU ENJOY YOUR COMMODORE USA PRODUCTS?

Surely you just aren't a talking head, surely their offerings are swell enough for you to get out YOUR wallet, no? I've asked this question a dozen times, and I'm willing to bet my left nut C-USA hasn't got a single dime of your hard earned money - why the press drive then?

Unless you own one, bought with your own money, you are getting very redundant around here doing the dog and pony show for them, Dammy.

[commodorejohn]

Originally Posted by Duce

Yeah, maybe I'm the lone guy that found it "odd" that a 30 million dollar ad budget is now suddenly pinned on the ad agency. Just like how I found it odd the claims of being partners with Disney and everyone else, and now C-USA is being portrayed as "a small company that made some mistakes".

No, lol. You can't have it both ways, you can't put on the big boy pants and be condescending towards the entire community for YEARS, saying you are gunning for Apple, then flip the switch and be the little guy, trying to eek out an existance while gladhanding false apologies.

You're not alone in the least - I just thought it was so blatantly obvious as to be unworthy of mention. But, you know, just for the sake of clarity: Duce is absolutely right. CUSA's varying claims of being both the Next Big Thing and somehow also a struggling little startup are a crock of shít. They don't have the $30 million advertising budget they claimed (and just like the factory pictures, even if it's true that it was bad information on the part of a third party, which I greatly doubt, CUSA were the ones to pass it on without verifying.) They don't have contracts for hundreds of thousands of sales in major retail chains (and that was all Barry, not some tidbit of misinformation he didn't bother to check.) They're not poised to take down the local PC repair shop in the next strip mall over from theirs, let alone Apple. First they try to claim business savvy and mighty connections in an attempt to impress; now that they've not only failed to impress, but actively alienated the only community who would've been interested in their products to begin with, they try to play the sympathy card and be the Scrappy Little Underdog that just needs a chance! to make good and win the hearts and minds of the community. It's all a front, trying to spin things as whatever they think might be to their advantage and desperately hoping that nobody in the community has a memory longer than three months. Guess what, Barry, we do.

And frankly, even if they weren't spinning this, what would it matter? Even if they're a scrappy underdog company that's "made some mistakes" and just wants to make up for getting off on the wrong foot, they're still a company making comically overpriced, mediocre PC clones and labeling them with the name of a company and a computer with which they have absolutely nothing in common, in an attempt to sell to the people who loved the completely unrelated original. That's inane at best and dishonest at worst; why should we want to give them another chance? Once was enough!

[darkage]

Agree with Commodore John... CUSA = Small Buinsess mentality, always trying to talk themselves up big..

Anyways, why doesn't the community move on, let CUSA try their bit and if not successful they will fade into time along with the other companies that tried to resurrect the famous brand(s)...

[EDanaII]

Originally Posted by dammy

Funny, the Amiga online community couldn't get 500 people to agree on a specific item for C=USA to make for them but you complain about C=USA holding off on making a decision on AF?

IMO, C=USA should include AF in the installed COS systems.

Eh... it wasn't a complaint. It was an observation. C=USA wants to court the community and makes a challenge, which is gonna be BIG no matter what the Community decides, but has trouble making a decision as simple as including UAE and some ROMs...

I think we're back to that "big talk" point that others have raised and I've been observing ever since C=USA first arrived on the scene.

[darkage]

Originally Posted by EDanaII

C=USA wants to court the community and makes a challenge, which is gonna be BIG no matter what the Community decides,

Its probably not the best community to court.. If you dont deliver on high promises then expect to be toasted!

[runequester]

Originally Posted by Duce

HOW DO YOU ENJOY YOUR COMMODORE USA PRODUCTS? [/B]

Surely you just aren't a talking head, surely their offerings are swell enough for you to get out YOUR wallet, no? I've asked this question a dozen times, and I'm willing to bet my left nut C-USA hasn't got a single dime of your hard earned money - why the press drive then?

I don't think his motivations has anything to do with actually liking their products.

[J-Golden]

Wellllll, I'd say the Amiga Community is unified on the definition of what an Amiga truly is about the same as Europe is on who the best football team is...

[Darrin]

Originally Posted by J-Golden

Wellllll, I'd say the Amiga Community is unified on the definition of what an Amiga truly is about the same as Europe is on who the best football team is...

Swansea City?

[Kesa]

Originally Posted by J-Golden

Wellllll, I'd say the Amiga Community is unified on the definition of what an Amiga truly is about the same as Europe is on who the best football team is...

Begin football rant

Don't get me started about football after watching "heros" Chelsea "defeat" Barca yesterday. Chelsea are the biggest cheats in the game. I mean, parking a bus of 9 defenders and using 1 striker to win a game? Can you be any more pathetic?

WORST FOOTBALL TEAM EVER!

End rant

[darkage]

We should get back onto topic, or talk about freedom fries?

[Digiman]

Originally Posted by dammy

Then the community needs to get a petition together asking C=USA to lower the required number of units. Five hundred is not that significant number of units, it speaks volumes on the real world potential market strength of the online Amiga community.

It is C=USA's job to design the product outline, if C=USA don't tell us specifics as to their abilities, contractual restrictions of OS and CPU architecture or their total engineering R&D resource then the discussion is closed. I explained the problem in detail already...

"Asking customers to design product scope & specification without an accurate description of technical solutions C=USA has the competency to design and build is NOT a viable business plan. Asking them to pay up front is also lunacy.

It is 100% down to C=USA to define their ability to legally, technically and financially be able to potential deliver the following....

1. C64x style bespoke identical replica Amiga case + keyboard + mouse
2. Ability to license existing/build new PPC motherboards with OS4 compatibility
3. Feasibility of x86 Amithlon+OS3.9 or AROS system being developed.

All I saw was a $500,000 attempted scam."

[vox]

Originally Posted by BigBenAussie

@Vox.

Incidentally, that magazine(?) article is incorrect.

MIcroMart UK

[psxphill]

Originally Posted by Digiman

It is C=USA's job to design the product outline, if C=USA don't tell us specifics as to their abilities, contractual restrictions of OS and CPU architecture or their total engineering R&D resource then the discussion is closed. I explained the problem in detail already...

It's not a scam, it's a way of ending the discussion.

If I had people constantly asking me to make something that I didn't think I was going to make money at then I'd ask them to put their money where their mouth was.
The money was basically a pre-order, if CUSA failed to ship the product then I'd expect the money to be refunded. Of course you should make sure the contract was drawn up correctly to avoid any future disappointment

There is nothing to stop anyone from producing a PPC motherboard that fits one of CUSA's cases. An overpriced motherboard in an overpriced case is a perfect match.

[takemehomegrandma]

My god, is this thread *still* going on? How long are you guys going to say the same thing over and over again? I guess he was right though — this interview *did* generate a lot of traffic to this site!