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[haywirepc]

Quite possibly the most asinine statement ever uttered by man...
So Amig Forever sucks because you can't get it to work on your PC, running outdated versions of XP, with no way to update it and obtain proper drivers or patching ...


You sir.. Are an idiot... And I know all about idiots as I am a PC tech and have to work with people just as ridiculous as you on a daily basis...

GOOD FRIGGIN GOD

The aforever I purchased (I think it was 2009 edition) worked perfectly fine on xp sp2 from a fresh install which is what the machine was running. (XPsp2)

After install when its working...
AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore!

[haywirepc]

I should have mentioned also... I just realized someone from aforever pmed me here, gave me a free aforever 2012upgrade and asked me if I could install it on an xp3 machine and give feedback... So I retract my statement that it sucks. At least they stand by their software, which is more than I can say for most amiga people.

They explained why I needed to install xp3 and dx upgrades first. Fair enough.

I am right now installing it on a properly os updated vista machine right now.

[Duce]

For the fellow that is running an old XP install on the machine stuck in a garage with no networking, you can always download the service packs from MS and dump them on a USB stick, portable drive or optical media and upgrade that way. SP's have always been available for standalone download for people like me that do networked/enterprise bulk/batch updating, people that generally find Windows Update abhorrent, lol. Also very handy for fresh installs via nLite installations, you can simply add all SP's to an original, older OS disk to skip the Win Update gibberish. SP3 is such a better experience, it just boggles my mind why people would put off patching up to it.

As for Amiga Forever, I tried the latest version earlier today and I was quite pleasantly surprised at how nice it was. Most, if not all of my previous complaints with the circa AF 2009 version I purchased way back when have been cleaned right up and I suffered none of the problems I have in the past.
Was completely a treat to use, and I've never been shy about listing my gripes about the earlier versions.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by haywirepc

AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore!

I don't know the specifics of your situation, but that' not all that uncommon.
Lots of software updates itself, and it's not uncommon for those updates to break something (that software, or other software, or the OS)...

It would be awesome if it never happened, but it does...

At work, that's why we have test machines that get all our deploys/updates first..

At home, when it happens, that's when I uninstall and re-install.
(Or if you have Restore points, those can work sometimes..)

It's the nature of the beast..
No software is perfect. When it happens, it's unfortunate, but its not necessarily bad software..

And sometimes it's not "that software" that is the problem, but something else, and that install is just the trigger...

Windows ("dll hell" is a phrase that comes to mind, but it's not just that) is incredibly complicated....

As I've said in the past on other forums, if the only reason for AmigaForever is to decrease the number of people posting "I need a Workbench ROMz," then it's worth it to the Amiga community..

;-)

desiv

[haywirepc]

Yes just gave it a test drive and i like it....

Walker prototype? Awesome. Adding AROS was nice too...

Steven

[confused2]

It would be kinda cool for them to add MorphOS, but i guess that is a paid OS

[bbond007]

Originally Posted by confused2

It would be kinda cool for them to add MorphOS, but i guess that is a paid OS

morphos needs PPC which WinUAE does not support.

[confused2]

but didn't some of the the original Amigas use PPC based CPUs along side the motorola ones?

[bbond007]

Originally Posted by confused2

but didn't some of the the original Amigas use PPC based CPUs along side the motorola ones?

Commodore never made a PPC amiga. Phase 5 and later DCE made trapdoor CPU upgrades (with both CPUs) for the 1200 and CPU slot upgrades for the 3000/4000.

[confused2]

oh, i see, thanks for clearing that up, but it would be cool none-the-less.

[kedawa]

Originally Posted by Kooler

And what are "obfuscated adf images" please?

I can't even tell what game is what from the filenames that they assigned.
It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds. If you pay for access to the ROMs, you have to jump through hoops to do anything with them. If you just grab them from the net,you don't.
I don't like paying for inconvenience.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by kedawa

It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds.

I always thought that the encrypting of the ROMs was because of licensing.
Something they "had to do," not chose to do...
A way of being able to distribute the ROMs to be used only for emulation...

And they aren't encrypted really; they are just encoded.

As for the filenames, just remember that they are designing an "easy-to-use" system.
That type of thing generally involves doing things like that to keep people from poking too much and breaking things... (And generating support tickets)

A large percentage of their target market will only ever use the interface, so it makes sense to keep it from being poked at...

They could have encrypted and signed the ADFs to keep serious techs out..
They didn't. They just obfuscated them a bit, to protect from finger poking...


desiv

[vox]

Originally Posted by bbond007

Commodore never made a PPC amiga. Phase 5 and later DCE made trapdoor CPU upgrades (with both CPUs) for the 1200 and CPU slot upgrades for the 3000/4000.

True, but Commodore died before PowerPC was developed at all.

[ral-clan]

Originally Posted by haywirepc

AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore!

Are you sure you can't just disable the update module so that AForever doesn't look for updates?

I'm pretty sure you can. If not through a simple setting in Amiga Forever, then through your startup in msconfig (there is a program that Cloanto uses to search for updates that is put in the startup). I can't remember what the name of the program is at the moment, but if you do a search for updates from one of AForever Player's menus, this program will open up and you can see what it is called. I think it is called RetroPlatform or something like that.

[Kooler]

Originally Posted by kedawa

I can't even tell what game is what from the filenames that they assigned.

What's so difficult or "retarded" about names like "Rage (Mark Sheeky, 1994, Amiga).rp9"?

I find these quite easy to understand.

Originally Posted by kedawa

It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds.

If you have Amiga Forever, these ROM files are right in front of you (select Open Amiga Files from the menu), with a rom.key file. They are not trying to hide them, Amiga Forever has a menu command made for accessing these files! There are even instructions:

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-110

So they are giving you a command to access the ROM files, and instructions for the same, and you are claiming that they are hiding them from you?

Also, there is no "encryption". You can use these files in any emulator like (Win)UAE and (Win)Fellow, as long as you also copy the rom.key file. This may seem "retarded" to you, but it's what made Amiga emulation legal and accepted, and all emulators since 1997 support it.

And there is also a special set of ROM files for WHDLoad use in the Workbench 3.X configuration. What would you want more? Do you know what you are talking about? Because it doesn't seem like it.