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Old 03-12-2012, 04:43 PM   #61
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This is a sham. The keyboard is clearly an Apple keyboard. I have been studying the Amiga keyboard for 10 mins and cannot find any difference between them apart from the labels for the Amiga keys and the function keys. The keyboard below is the one i am using right now and the two are identical. For example the "esc" key on the Apple keyboard is 1mm wider than the one below it and protrudes rightwards while being aligned on the left hand side. The keyboards are (almost) identical!

Edit: OK i found one difference.

Someone on the CUSA forum found it the other day (by the manufacturer but no price), but the post got nearly instantly deleted (before I could copy the URL).

It's being OEMed (of course), it's a real keyboard made by someone else copying the Apple keyboard.

As for the 1000x case, that's easier:

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...-HTPC-e5-S.htm

With custom feet.

The Amiga Mini has been previously outed as this case:

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...TPC-ITX2-S.htm

On sale for $64.

Barry personally posted today the Amiga Mini, Vic Mini, and the new C64 Supreme would be annouced in "24 to 48 hours" with pre-ordering available to ship at the end of April.

At $2,495 for the Amiga Mini, and $995 for the Vic Mini, I'm personally looking forward to seeing what they cram in a $64 case to get it up anywhere near that cost , even more curious how many people intend to buy it, and if they sell the barebones how much C= and Amiga laser etching is worth.
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I'm missing the joke here, what's the difference with the keyboards? I mean, besides the wonky numpad/trackpad thing?

And $2500 for a kitbash HTPC? Dream on, Barry, dream on...
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:24 PM   #63
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I'm missing the joke here, what's the difference with the keyboards? I mean, besides the wonky numpad/trackpad thing?

And $2500 for a kitbash HTPC? Dream on, Barry, dream on...
The wonkey numberpad/trackpad. Someone in China makes the exact keyboard photoshopped on the box, they are going to slap an Amiga sticker on it. I'm just not as good as googling as the CUSA forum member that found it...
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Oh good Lord. I was hoping the numpad thing was part of the Photoshop...
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So what was barry's justification for charging such a high amount for the Amiga Mini? And what do you get for your money?
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So what was barry's justification for charging such a high amount for the Amiga Mini? And what do you get for your money?

part of that is answered here

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Keep in mind the additional manufacturing costs of CNC engraving the AMIGA logo, laser etching C= logo and branding plate, but also the DOUBLE licensing fees for dual branding with both the Commodore and AMIGA trademark logos. These additional fees are based on the selling price of the unit. It all adds up, rather quickly. And let's not forget to add some profit so we can be around to continue this adventure.
Additional info about product line for the year was rescheduled (I've lost track of how many times this date was changed) for today or tomorrow.

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Old 03-13-2012, 09:52 AM   #67
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Let's assume for a moment that don't have their own CNC / laser etcher (Which would be dumb, they should invest it thier own if the intend on selling a lot of these they start at about $10,000 or the cost of 4 Amiga Minis ), how much would you assign to each?

$70 Case
$50 Amiga Logo
$50 C= Laser Etch
$50 Amiga License fee
$50 Commodore License fee

$270 so far, and I'm probably being very generious with $50 for license fee seeing as Uncle Bill has had Amiga put on sub-$100 Andriod tablets.

When we see what the rest of the specs are we can see how it adds up $2500, and how much is "some profit so we can be around to continue this adventure".

Nothing wrong with profit, but I'm not sure who will be willing to pay that much Mini-ITX HTPC, even with Commodore Amiga enblazen on it

It's hard to find a PC that expensive. Even an 27" iMacs are cheaper (and come with a 27" monitor !)
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Maybe the manual is printed in unicorn blood?
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Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...

Maybe he should talk with Trevor Dick as did some case customizing with the boing ball on his x1000.
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Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...
Well, IIRC correctly in order to get an explanation of the pricing from Barry you have to fill out a questionnaire about your sex life...
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Licensing fees? Didn't the Baron post a message gloating that he'd slit the throats of Asia Rim whilst they were sleeping?
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Well, that's certainly what it sounded like. Then again, as I'm sure we all know by now, Barry says a lot of things.
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Someone on the CUSA forum found it the other day (by the manufacturer but no price), but the post got nearly instantly deleted (before I could copy the URL).

It's being OEMed (of course), it's a real keyboard made by someone else copying the Apple keyboard.

As for the 1000x case, that's easier:

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...-HTPC-e5-S.htm

With custom feet.

The Amiga Mini has been previously outed as this case:

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...TPC-ITX2-S.htm

On sale for $64.

Barry personally posted today the Amiga Mini, Vic Mini, and the new C64 Supreme would be annouced in "24 to 48 hours" with pre-ordering available to ship at the end of April.

At $2,495 for the Amiga Mini, and $995 for the Vic Mini, I'm personally looking forward to seeing what they cram in a $64 case to get it up anywhere near that cost , even more curious how many people intend to buy it, and if they sell the barebones how much C= and Amiga laser etching is worth.
it was a friend of mine that posted that. he also said that Barry had taken the posts down almost instantly and sent some rather agressive PM's telling him never to post links to "similar" products again.

In any case here is the links.

A Weseana E5 case http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5 and an Iton keyboard http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Product-Listing-Detail.aspx?ProductID=19065

Oh and for those that are interested the pic of the box came from here http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm and leo just slapped their 1000x ontop.
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Oh and for those that are interested the pic of the box came from here http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm and leo just slapped their 1000x ontop.
Quality craftsmanship: a CUSA tradition!
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it might be worth mentioning that those keyboards I have only ever seen on Alibaba. The company behinde them seem to be into making multi touch and bluetooth components. This could the only 'unique' item in the whole system.

Ok so here is some links for people

http://sziton.en.alibaba.com/product...0_version.html
http://gadgetguide.bluetooth.com/gad...cfm?lpid=19065
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/52...ith_Touch.html
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Ooooh! You can get the case in GOLD!!!!! Sa-WEET!!!!!
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It's mind boggling that there are people that still support this venture.
Absolutely disgusting.
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Licensing fees? Didn't the Baron post a message gloating that he'd slit the throats of Asia Rim whilst they were sleeping?

I haven't found any new legal documents concerning the lawsuit. Nor have I seen anything publically posted by either of the principals.

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Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...

Maybe he should talk with Trevor Dick as did some case customizing with the boing ball on his x1000.

Those numbers are totally made up by me, except you can buy a brand new Laser Etcher that will do the job for 10K. But I think I'm being very liberal with those numbers all the way around. My only point is the price point is sheer insanity at $2500 for any Mini-ITX x86 system with a $64 case.

Also, Leo posted a note that the keyboard in question for the 1000x is "Concept" keyboard and not made by any manufacturer yet. Um yea.

And the announcement for the Amiga Mini was delayed again. Supposedly it's going to be sometime today. I stopped holding my breath. The first time they posted the proposed specs someone questioned why they would use a $1000 mobile CPU in a case that could use a faster cheaper 65 watt desktop processor. Leo quickly removed those specs and said it was a mistake, the Amiga Mini would use a desktop processor. This was supposedly when it was a few days away from being released in February when CUSA posted that it was going through "it's final paces" of testing.

CUSA is (at best) fast and loose with the truth. The C64x case seems really nice (and people are generally happy with them), but everything else they have said and done is shady.
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It's like watching a shell game where the con man keeps lifting up the shell to check which one he left the ball under...
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