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[SysAdmin]

Rich from Amiga Round Table fame has invited CUSA on ART many times but never gets a confirmation. Why is this? Everyone at CommodoreUSA wants to promote their vision of what an Amiga is suppose to be butt they are so very very shy and don't discuss it on the only English speaking Podcast about the Amiga, ART. For German speakers there is the excellent BoingsWorld.

http://boingsworld.de/ A legendary German Amiga podcast.


Now back to ART: Amiga Round Table is 50+ episodes strong and even has a few rare unreleased episodes.

http://www.amigaz.org/category/amiga-roundtable/

Virtually millions of Amiga fans enjoy the show but will never get the hear the CUSA side of the story since they are shyer than school girl. We are sure Rich would enjoy having them on the show because love it or hate it, the story is interesting.

At the minimum any CUSA representative should come on the show and express their views and explain what plans they have if any. CommodoreUSA you will not break our heart if you don't join us and have fun on the show but you will miss out on promoting yourself. If CUSA turn us down then a big CUSA fanboy can come on the show, you know who you are. You know what they say about shy people?



Merry Christmas everyone!

P.S. We spelled but wrong on purpose.

[CritAnime]

Gauntlet thrown down lol. Would be interesting to actually hear them rather than just read the rubbish that comes out.

Also merry christmas transition!!!!!

[Duce]

Always wondered why they didn't take a more public approach to dealing with community concerns and strategies.

They issued a challenge to the community, issue one back. ART. A "put up or shut up":

C-USA, go on Amiga Round Table, discuss your vision of the future and answer a list of questions from the community. No one is asking you to divulge trade secrets, let's just get a bit of back and forth Q & A going. I couldn't care less how many units you've sold, and I know you cannot and would not share that. Answer some basic questions - surely the Korey Kay ad firm that is representing you, according to your news posts on your website, they would certainly recommend bringing your name to as many people as possible, no? If I was your ad agency, I'd be working overtime to get you on any media channels I possibly could, including Amiga Round Table. ART is a popular show, and has had a fair number of highly visible members of the tech community on as guests, even ones like Paul Thurrott, a MS geared guy that grew up on the Amiga.

Certainly a company so willing to support the Amiga community via things like challenges would not have an issue on taking a public opportunity to clear up any misunderstandings between all parties and set the record straight. Hey, it's free ad space at the very least, isn't it?

You might just find the truth out - that the people that have spoken out by simply asking simple questions that you have painted as "the haters", we'd be overjoyed to have records set straight via a Q & A session. I'd *LOVE* to be proven wrong. Until then, the lack of clarity and things like issuing challenges and ultimatums without answering any questions just leads to beliefs of deception on the part of the community.

You claim to make top notch product - tell us all all about the current and future ones and answer some simple general interest questions that have been entirely avoided for a number of years.

If we are not "your target market" and you won't take part in an interview, fine - just goes to show the community forums sites have been nothing more than a source of free adspace for a couple years.

I know a ton of people with disposable income that just love the idea of retro computing, but have avoided your company like grim death due to your avoidance of answering simple questions and treatment of the community. They would love a reason to buy your goods. If you make a super product, tell these people why you are giving them a super product with super support. All they see now is face value, which via community forums sure is not a pretty picture in regards to treatment of the community.

[dammy]

IIRC, ART bad mouthed C=USA when C=USA first appeared. Why would they want to go on ART after they get slammed on ART?

[spirantho]

Originally Posted by dammy

IIRC, ART bad mouthed C=USA when C=USA first appeared. Why would they want to go on ART after they get slammed on ART?

Why would Amiga forums want to deal with C=USA after Amiga users got slammed by them on said forums?

[dammy]

Originally Posted by spirantho

Why would Amiga forums want to deal with C=USA after Amiga users got slammed by them on said forums?

You don't have to, you can cheerfully ignore any thread about C=USA. There are a lot of threads on AO I never bother reading so it's not a difficult thing to do.

[lsmart]

Originally Posted by spirantho

Why would Amiga forums want to deal with C=USA after Amiga users got slammed by them on said forums?

Because we don´t care if some guy got a strange question back, when he asked a strage question. I don´t want to be insulted everytime any random Amiga user in the world is insulted. The community is heterogenous and some may like what others criticise.

[cgutjahr]

Originally Posted by Transition

Virtually millions of Amiga fans enjoy the show but will never get the hear the CUSA side of the story since they are shyer than s school girl.

It could be worse: They could have agreed to be interviewed by ART, create a hype about the upcoming interview and then cancel moments before the show was to go on air.

CUSA [...] CommodoreUSA [...] CUSA [...] CUSA [...] CommodoreUSA [...] CUSA [...] CUSA

Could you please stop posting this under "news" so it appears on the front page? It's not news, none of the CUSA threads you posted recently qualified as news.

[spirantho]

I was speaking more in principle.....
If C=USA are going to be offended by comments made a year ago from a group who then tries to open talks, then they can't expect anything different from the group they themselves offended, if you see what I mean.

In other words, if they want us to forgive their past hostilities, they should be willing to forgive other people's.

[number6]

Originally Posted by cgutjahr

It could be worse: They could have agreed to be interviewed by ART, create a hype about the upcoming interview and then cancel moments before the show was to go on air.


Could you please stop posting this under "news" so it appears on the front page? It's not news, just like the other CUSA threads you posted recently.

I'm curious about the "us" in the title.
I thought Amigaroundtable was Bill, Rich, Sean, Mike, and Eddie. *shrug*

#6

[lsmart]

Originally Posted by dammy

IIRC, ART bad mouthed C=USA when C=USA first appeared. Why would they want to go on ART after they get slammed on ART?

Because Rich is professional enough to give them a fair chance to make their point. CUSA was criticised for using fan-art, etc. without asking for permission first, so they must have been prepared to get a little heat. But now as things settled down, it would be interesting to know, how they see themselves in todays market and what their goals are.

Are they just selling branded hardware to get enough money to make some real development possible? Remember: Amiga Inc. started out selling joysticks. Are they focussed on todays tech and want to take some share of the normal consumer market? Do they love emulation and Linux or is it just a means to achive their goals? How do they feel the Amiga community and C64 fans have to be adressed differently as consumers?

[spirantho]

Exactly.

The people who are really losing out because of this "we don't want to play with you because you were nasty to us and you smell" attitude are C=USA themselves. This is their chance to show what they really want to do.
Unless of course, the Amiga community still doesn't actually matter to them (which is what I believe).

[A1260]

butt what seriously do you aspect from cusa?..

[dammy]

Originally Posted by spirantho

Exactly.

The people who are really losing out because of this "we don't want to play with you because you were nasty to us and you smell" attitude are C=USA themselves. This is their chance to show what they really want to do.
Unless of course, the Amiga community still doesn't actually matter to them (which is what I believe).

Has ART been supportive at all of C=USA? It's a two way street.

[Duce]

Originally Posted by dammy

IIRC, ART bad mouthed C=USA when C=USA first appeared. Why would they want to go on ART after they get slammed on ART?

To explain their vision of the future, and plans with this "Challenge", for starters. A lot of people on A.org have stated they felt the X1000 was a ripoff and overpriced, that didn't keep Trevor Dickenson from appearing on the show. He addressed the concerns, explained the product - and IMHO changed a lot of minds. After hearing the episode he was on, if I had need for a second OS4 machine and was willing to spend that much, I was far more "Sold" on the X1000 after the interview.

If I ran a company that offered great products that I felt people simply don't understand or know enough about to judge, or worse yet - people were disliking them before even knowing much about them, I'd jump through hoops to get on a show like this.

If you are seriously asking "why would they want to be guests on a widely listened to show - getting a large amount of free publicity for free?", you've lost me (and likely everyone else) in a circular illogical fashion, buddy. It's a business, be professional and represent yourself and your products rather than foster a "he called me a poopyhead!" stance.

The answer you'd be looking for on that one is "to get their name out there and maybe sell some systems". A 12 year old kid running a lemonade stand would tell you that's just basic marketing sense, lol.

I guess if they choose not to, we once again can assume that we simply aren't the target market for their products, I guess. Whether it is a stated fact or not, ART is very much a voice of A.org in the eyes of many.

If C-USA can issue us Community challenges here on A.org, they should be more than willing to participate in an open debate and interview.