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Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« on: December 23, 2011, 03:34:37 PM »
PCMCIA unfriendly accelerator (like M-Tec 1230 Viper) = no PCMCIA unless jumpered down to 4MB.

Use Skick to kick down the Amiga to Kickstart 3.0

PCMCIA works without having to set the jumper to 4MB :)
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 03:43:00 PM »
The only downside is you lose 512KB fastram because kickstart uses it.
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 03:45:45 PM »
Quote from: dougal;672581
PCMCIA unfriendly accelerator (like M-Tec 1230 Viper) = no PCMCIA unless jumpered down to 4MB.

Use Skick to kick down the Amiga to Kickstart 3.0

PCMCIA works without having to set the jumper to 4MB :)


If the RAM is mapped into the Zorro II address space, it will not work with PCMCIA and 8MB. It doesn't matter what OS version you are running. It is a hardware problem, not a software one.
 

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 03:57:43 PM »
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If the RAM is mapped into the Zorro II address space, it will not work with PCMCIA and 8MB. It doesn't matter what OS version you are running. It is a hardware problem, not a software one.


I tried it..  It works...

At boot 3.1(40.068) I see 6,800,232 Fast mem and WhichAmiga says i have 8192K fastmem . PCMCIA does not work.

I Skick to 3.0 (39.106) and see 6,110,736 fastmem and WhichAmiga says i have 8192K fastmem. PCMCIA works.

Only note.. When Skick to 3.0 and it reboots it wont boot up and you have to give it the 3 finger salute (reset CTRL Amiga Amiga). When it boots up to 3.0 you may not see the PCMCIA CF right away. Click the System Disk icon and the PCMCIA CF card shows. Strange.

But other then that it works.
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 04:24:25 PM »
Quote from: dougal;672581
PCMCIA unfriendly accelerator (like M-Tec 1230 Viper) = no PCMCIA unless jumpered down to 4MB.

Use Skick to kick down the Amiga to Kickstart 3.0

PCMCIA works without having to set the jumper to 4MB :)


Yup, my M-Tec board worked fine with 3.0 roms but no longer works since I upgraded to 3.1 Roms so Im ditching the SCSI PCMCIA and going via IDEfix instead :)
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 04:50:29 PM »
This sounds more like a workaround for bugs in the M-Tec firmware than a workaround for all PCMCIA address space issues.
 

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 06:25:32 PM »
Is the trick related to using skick or to having 3.0? I remember that my old MTEC was PCMCIA unfriendly with the 3.0 1200 i had in the late 90's.
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 06:48:03 PM »
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Is the trick related to using skick or to having 3.0? I remember that my old MTEC was PCMCIA unfriendly with the 3.0 1200 i had in the late 90's.


Hmm no idea. I guess i could try and Skick into 3.1 and see what happens. Will post.
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 06:54:53 PM »
Nope. Tried 3.1 skick and pcmcia did not work. With 3.0 its fine
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 08:58:37 PM »
is a kickstart 3.1 bug
the idiots of commodore touched some things in carddisk.device
I have an A1200 + TRA1200 turboboard and idem problem
Kickstart 3.0 works wonderful with pcmcia + 8mb the problem is that you can't run OS3.9

I'm working in find a way to make OS3.9 works with roms 3.0 or to build a special kickstart 3.1 with the oldest carddisk.device from kick 3.0

any ideas?
 

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 09:29:24 PM »
The Kickstart 3.0 makes it possible to use a Blizzard 1220 with 8 MB fast RAM work with PCMCIA.
 

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 09:44:07 PM »
Quote from: LaserBack;672653
is a kickstart 3.1 bug
the idiots of commodore touched some things in carddisk.device
I have an A1200 + TRA1200 turboboard and idem problem
Kickstart 3.0 works wonderful with pcmcia + 8mb the problem is that you can't run OS3.9

I'm working in find a way to make OS3.9 works with roms 3.0 or to build a special kickstart 3.1 with the oldest carddisk.device from kick 3.0

any ideas?


Good luck with that. Do let us know when you when its done.. you know that would be a great idea to have a special modified kickstart 3.1 burned into roms so that there would be no need for skick (and the fact that it takes 512k out of the fast ram).
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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 10:03:53 PM »
Just checking 3.0 ROM via RomSplit it has:
- card.resource --> version 37.11
- carddisk.device --> version 37.11

while 3.1 ROM has:
- card.resource --> version 40.1
- carddisk.device --> version 40.1

You can make too easily an custom Kickstart 3.1 with these, but you need to write to an EPROM and test it out just to be sure :)
Don't forget that to be able to burn A1200's EPROMS you need to Split the ROM and ByteSwap it.

To make all these with Remus is really easy:

Open a CLI and cd  to Remus/Tools
SplitROMImage SWAP
So the example: SplitROMIMage customkick31.rom SWAP
...will create 2 files:

  • customkick31.rom.hi (256kb)
  • customkick31.rom.lo (256kb)
... that now you can burn with your EPROM burner :)

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 10:16:18 PM »
More SKick tests

OS3.9 can run direct 3.0 with some limitations

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Re: Workabout for PCMCIA unfriendly accelerators
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 10:53:33 PM »
Is there any info available about the improvements (if any) in the carddisk.device from 3.0 to 3.1?
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