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Update Amiga 600
« on: August 16, 2011, 09:01:20 AM »
Now... What can I do to my Amiga 600 ?

Now it has normal spec's - but what can I upgrade easy ? Im not good in messing around with the hardware, so must be simple things, that can make my little baby better.

How hard is it to change the 2.1 kick to 3.1 ?

For what can I use the PCMIA port ?

Want to add a little more RAM - remember from my old A500 that it was pretty easy. Is that also like that with the A600 ?

Can I install a harddrive in the Amiga 600 that  wasnt born with it ? Or is that a difficult task ?

Pleaaaaaasssseeeee help :-)
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 09:11:36 AM »
Just asked my best friend Google :-( Think I probaly should get myself an A1200 :-)
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 09:19:29 AM »
A600 is nice little computer, it is quite difficult to expand, but you can isntall hd and LAN to it easily.

If you own an Amiga 600 with Kickstart 2.x and a revision below 37.300, you need to upgrade in order to use the internal IDE controller

Here kickstart 3.1

http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[154].htm

There is some new hardware availlable for A600, 030 acclerator and scandoubler. Notice that Indivision ECS is not just scandoubler, it also accelerates graphics.

http://www.vesalia.de/r0e_amiga_hardware_amiga_600.htm

But yes, A1200 is better choise, but if you want to hobby amiga, A600 is ok and you can allways get A1200 later
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 10:57:45 AM »
Udgrading the kickstart is just a matter of replacing a socketed chip; anyone that can handle a flat headed screwdriver can do this.

Installing a hdd is just a matter of inserting a cable on the IDE port (your Kickstart version needs to be higher than 37.299; this is shown at theinsert disk animation) and upgrading the ram is a matter of installing a card at the bottom of the computer.

Doing the above is no different than the things you would have to do when upgrading an A1200. Personally I'd go for the A1200 though; far easier to upgrade the ram on these compared to an A600.

If you want to go A1200, I have one for sale (you can find it on dba.dk) and I'm close by. I can help with upgrades for the A600 as well if needed.
 

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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 01:02:06 PM »
Thanx guys :-)

Think I'll order a 3.1 kick - The add some RAM, and a Harddrive :-)

Will any harddrive do ? From a laptop ? Max size ? Think I remember that you cannot install anything greater than 2 GB ? But that should also be more than enough for an Amiga.
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 01:17:27 PM »
Is this all I need to make ADF's come to life on my A600 ?

http://tinyurl.com/3qf83uo
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 01:18:15 PM »
Quote from: TheMud;654921
Thanx guys :-)

Think I'll order a 3.1 kick - The add some RAM, and a Harddrive :-)

Will any harddrive do ? From a laptop ? Max size ? Think I remember that you cannot install anything greater than 2 GB ? But that should also be more than enough for an Amiga.

I recommend you ask Cammy before you do anything. She is the resident expert on the A600 around these parts. Here take a look at this...

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58812
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 06:51:51 PM »
Actually hard drive can be any size, but at least boot partion need to be less than 4,2gb

This is what you need

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/ffstd64

You can use that kind of PCMCIA solution to transfer adfs to you miggy, BUT you should rather look for WHDload games, so that you don't need to play with floppies. WHDLoad instals games to hard drive.

http://www.whdload.de/

I would suggest you to buy Cloantos's amiga explorer 9,95€ and PCMCIA network card 1€ -10€, so that you could use lan to transfer whdloadized games direct to your miggy's HD.

http://www.amigaforever.com/ae/

It has quite many nice features, example, if you drag adf image to your amigas floppy drive from PC side it writes it directly to disk.

Because you are from Denmark, you can get easy and good display solution with LCD-tv. With LCD-TV hires modes doesn't flicker, you just need right kind of cable.

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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 07:49:48 AM »
Hi TheMud!

Although the A1200 is slightly better and more expandable, I think the A600 is still one of the best Amigas to have, maybe it's the second easiest to upgrade these days thanks to the ACA630, A604 and the ease of use of the PCMCIA port and standard 44pin IDE controller.

I do recommend getting some PCMCIA cards, like a CF or SD card reader. The one you linked to will be fine, but remember these parts are quite common and many people are trying to take advantage of Amiga users by selling these parts at over double the regular cost, so shop around. The driver software is available for free on Aminet, and I'm sure it wouldn't be too much effort for someone to send you the drivers on a disk. In fact I'm starting a global disk swapping network for this very purpose.

A PCMCIA ethernet or wireless card will also be very handy, as even a stock A600 can go online with one.

If you don't have a 1MB ChipRAM expansion already, you can't get anything better than the brand new A604, which is available at all the online Amiga retailers. Not only will it expand your A600 to a total of 2MB ChipRAM, but it will provide you with a battery-backed real-time clock, an adapter to plug in an Indivision ECS, and TWO clockports! One is a standard clockport, suitable for all A1200 clockport expansions like high-speed serial/parallel cards, sound cards, or the Subway USB card, which will perform almost twice as fast if it's used on the new high speed clockport which is also on the A604.

If you don't want to shell out for the ACA630 accelerator, which I HIGHLY recommend, you could get a simple PCMCIA SRAM card to bump up your FastRAM, and get a slight speed boost as well. 1MB, 2MB and 4MB cards are available, but they will cost you almost as much as an ACA630, and that has a 25Mhz 68030 and 32MB RAM on it. Also, if you have a SRAM card taking up the PCMCIA slot you can't go online unless you use a serial cable connected to a PC (for dialup-speed internet access, which isn't bad for IRC, Email, MUDs and stuff anyway).

I'm lucky enough to have two A600s, so I have a system set up both ways, and they both have their charm. One A600 is a powerhouse that can run the latest OS3 software, while the other is perfect for those older, simpler applications and great for classic games.

I have a link to a 4MB SRAM card for sale if you'd like to purchase one, I won't post it here because it'll very likely be gone by the time you see my post, there are too many lurkers here ready to snap things up cheap and resell them for profit. It's 85 Euro, where as you could get an ACA630 for around 160 Euro.

For internal storage you can't go past a Compact Flash adapter and a 4GB-8GB Sandisk CF card. The 4GB ones will work perfectly without requiring any patches, as long as you create your partitions smaller than 2GB, so just make two 2GB partitions if you get a 4GB drive, and you're set. For a 8GB or larger drive you'll need some patches and better filesystems, which can be a little tricky to set up at first.

As has been suggested, it's best to use WHDLoad and play games from the HDD/CF these days, it's much faster and trouble-free, especially when the data retention of HD media is bad for DD formatted disks.

Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.

Also, if you haven't got any good game controllers for it yet, these ones are only $4.55 each with free shipping, and are perfect for Amiga games - http://www.dealextreme.com/p/additional-gamepad-controller-for-sku-28970-30530
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 08:39:04 AM »
Quote from: Cammy;655015
Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.


Can you explain why we need KS3.1 with the A600? KS3.1 is almost exactly the same as KS2.x. The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView. But for KS2.x there are also plenty viewers for free on Aminet. For example PPShow or ViewTek (VT) and many other little viewers. Even the Icons and WorkBench layout is the same as KS2.x.
I would understand if you use KS3.1 on the A600 for running O.S.3.9, but that's to slow or not nice looking (ugly with 16 colors), even with an 030 accelerator.
So, if not using O.S.3.9 then one should stick with KS & O.S. 2.x, and then you don't even need a 1.3<->3.1 KS-switcher, because KS2.x can run the old games just fine.
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2011, 09:48:38 AM »
Kickstart 2 has ugly scrollbars, yuck! Kickstart 3 has far more trendy white menus.

But really, it's just because there is still a lot of modern software that requires or at least takes advantage of Kickstart 3, and since it doesn't make a considerable difference to the memory usage or speed, I don't see any disadvantage of running it. Sure it's not essential, but it's a lot nicer and the OS has more features.

I don't know why you think that Kickstart 2 can run the old games fine, many A600 owners had to use degrader disks to get 1.3 running in order for older games to work. It was the biggest problem people had with the A600 after the lack of a numeric keypad. Of course there's really no need for me to run old floppy-based games on my A600 when I have some A500s, but I like  my kitted out A600, it's cool.
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2011, 11:03:08 AM »
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The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView.

AFAIK, there's nothing in the kickstart that has anything to do with datatypes. There are all kinds of other issues when using a 2.x kickstart though. And regarding 3.9, there's no problem setting up 3.9 to be equally stripped down as 3.1 or 2.x, it just takes a little bit of effort.
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2011, 12:33:04 PM »
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Can you explain why we need KS3.1 with the A600? KS3.1 is almost exactly the same as KS2.x. The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView. But for KS2.x there are also plenty viewers for free on Aminet. For example PPShow or ViewTek (VT) and many other little viewers. Even the Icons and WorkBench layout is the same as KS2.x.
I would understand if you use KS3.1 on the A600 for running O.S.3.9, but that's to slow or not nice looking (ugly with 16 colors), even with an 030 accelerator.
So, if not using O.S.3.9 then one should stick with KS & O.S. 2.x, and then you don't even need a 1.3<->3.1 KS-switcher, because KS2.x can run the old games just fine.


Some versions of KS2.0 doesn't have scsi.device build in and one version have buggy scsi.device, limiting hard drive size about 100mb

A600 is nice WHDLoad machine, I really don't understand why would anyone want to play with floppies.

PS. Is possible to get 68010 cpu for few euros. 010 will allow quit key with whdload
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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2011, 12:53:06 PM »
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I don't know why you think that Kickstart 2 can run the old games fine, many A600 owners had to use degrader disks to get 1.3 running in order for older games to work. It was the biggest problem people had with the A600 after the lack of a numeric keypad.


I've never had any problems with old games on my A600HD. Even without WHDLoad you can run old games. There are plenty degrader programs around. If the game is not NDOS,
you can copy the contents of a game disk to HD, put an assign to it and run it with a degrader program. No problem at all, and if it gives you problems, you can always use WHDLoad. No need for OS & WB3.1.
 

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Re: Update Amiga 600
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2011, 12:59:49 PM »
Quote from: kolla;655030
AFAIK, there's nothing in the kickstart that has anything to do with datatypes. There are all kinds of other issues when using a 2.x kickstart though. And regarding 3.9, there's no problem setting up 3.9 to be equally stripped down as 3.1 or 2.x, it just takes a little bit of effort.


I was only explaining that the only "new" feature of KS3.1 is the useless Datatypes.
And what other KS2.x  issues are you refering about?
There's indeed no problem of setting up 3.9 on an A600, but like I stated before;
it's very slow and with only 16 colors it's plain ugly. And what's the point of stripping it down? In that case, there's hardly any difference with KS & WB 2.x.