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[bloodline]

For example, Karlos is a developer that I have spoken to many times on A.org and his ability and coding level usually make my head spin. He is VERY talented. I love learning from him.

Karlos is by far a better programmer than I, and better chemist and musician too (we seem to have followed a similar life path in many respects)... But yet he can't come to terms with the beauty of Objective-C... That that forever will haunt him honestly I feel sorry for his affliction :-p

[Cammy]

It's a real shame you guys with years of programming experience don't actually code Amiga applications, the community would really appreciate it. I'm sure it wouldn't take you long, you guys seem to know so much. Is it because you have become so used to writing bloated code for modern systems that you don't think your brain could handle optimising the code for a low-end Amiga? Or is it because you're just greedy and only code for money? Where is your interest in Amiga now, other than posting like a bigshot on forums?

[gazgod]

Originally Posted by Cammy

Or is it because you're just greedy and only code for money?

In my case yup, but not greed, necessity.

[bloodline]

Originally Posted by Cammy

It's a real shame you guys with years of programming experience don't actually code Amiga applications, the community would really appreciate it. I'm sure it wouldn't take you long, you guys seem to know so much. Is it because you have become so used to writing bloated code for modern systems that you don't think your brain could handle optimising the code for a low-end Amiga? Or is it because you're just greedy and only code for money? Where is your interest in Amiga now, other than posting like a bigshot on forums?

In some respects you are right, but I can put it another way...

When I got my A500, I stopped programming my old Sinclair ZX81... I became used to the extra power the Amiga had and you could say my code became too bloated to run on the old Sinclair. Now we have computers that have more features and more power than the Amiga, as a programmer you want to play with the new toys, to experiment with new ideas and push the limits of what can be done... It is hard, though sometimes fun, to go back to the older machines and be limited by what can be done. Unfortunately there is a limit with any machine, and once you have explored that, it gets a little dull.

There is a little extra note for me through:
When I was younger, I used to dream of an Amiga 500 that I could carry in my pocket and take anywhere with me. Call me weird, but I wanted to run my software sitting in a forrest or by a river, there is a degree of freedom that is appealing... Modern smartphones give me that power and more... I haven't written anything for a desktop machine in years!

An interesting aside:
When my youngest brother asked me to teach him to program, I set up Blitz2 in UAE and gave him his first taste of code using the Amiga! Though we soon moved to JavaScript... Which actually gave him a better idea of modern languages and event based architecture. But the Amiga was a quick way to show him programming and get results, as you lose a 10year old very quickly if they don't see immediate results

[kamelito]

@Bloodline,

A bit offtopic but is your Iphone game doing well?
Kamel

[TCMSLP]

I'd love to start programming on the Amiga but I've not touched C in years (I'd be essentially learning from scratch) plus I've never used OO languages.

Thanks to Cammy's contagious enthusiasm I've started looking at AmigaE, but the PortablE compiler on the latest AROS/Icaros seems to be broken so even this hasn't got me very far.

The last real programming (excluding bash/perl) I did was on the Amiga/ST in assembly language some 15+ years ago. I also dabbled with Microchip PIC assembly a few years back - but a recent attempt at picking this back up has demonstrated how little I remember and how frustrating it is to 'start over'.

[nicholas]

Originally Posted by Cammy

Or is it because you're just greedy and only code for money? Where is your interest in Amiga now, other than posting like a bigshot on forums?

What wonderful social skills you have.

Has it occurred to you that most people have real lives that take priority over the deluded fantasies of unemployed dreamers?

[Cammy]

Sorry if I touched a nerve, bigshot, but I figure if people have the time to waste boasting on forums about how good they are at coding they could at least find some time to put their money where their mouth is and code something once in a while, whether or not they live real lives or delusional fantasy ones.

[TCMSLP]

I'm not sure people were necessarily boasting (more discussing?) but Cammy makes a very good point ... we have some great talented people as part of the community but very few people willing to invest time to develop on the platform.

I know what it's like though - I commute 1.5 hours each way to a 9-5 job, so out of the house ~11 hours a day. The little time I do have I hit issues (like PortablE not working under Icaros) and the little time I have is wasted.

Such is life

[nicholas]

Originally Posted by Cammy

Sorry if I touched a nerve, bigshot, but I figure if people have the time to waste boasting on forums about how good they are at coding they could at least find some time to put their money where their mouth is and code something once in a while, whether or not they live real lives or delusional fantasy ones.

Why should they?

[SamuraiCrow]

Originally Posted by TCMSLP

I know what it's like though - I commute 1.5 hours each way to a 9-5 job, so out of the house ~11 hours a day. The little time I do have I hit issues (like PortablE not working under Icaros) and the little time I have is wasted.

Such is life

The problems with Icaros are being addressed. The problems with the beta version of PortablE that came with Icaros have been addressed as well. If you're having trouble with PortablE, try downloading the latest version and installing it over the top of the existing install. That will fix some of the issues. The GUI issues have to still be fixed in Icaros 1.3.2 but I hear 1.3.3 should be out soon.

[TCMSLP]

Thanks SamuraiCrow - I'll give it a ago. I wasn't criticising AROS though, merely using it as an example of how it's difficult to do anything useful when I have such little free time.

AROS + PortablE on the eeePC seem like a good commuting solution though

[gazgod]

Originally Posted by Cammy

Sorry if I touched a nerve, bigshot, but I figure if people have the time to waste boasting on forums about how good they are at coding they could at least find some time to put their money where their mouth is and code something once in a while, whether or not they live real lives or delusional fantasy ones.

Lets turn your accusing compass around 180 degrees and ask what have you with the office, all Amigas and obviously all the time in the world have produced?

[bloodline]

Guys, I think that I and gazgod adequatelly challenged Cammy's position wihout needing to resort to hostility. Play nice

[SamuraiCrow]

Originally Posted by gazgod

Lets turn your accusing compass around 180 degrees and ask what have you with the office, all Amigas and obviously all the time in the world have produced?

She's working on a TileMap editor in MUI using AmigaE.