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An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« on: April 20, 2011, 11:33:45 PM »
Hello Dave,

You have more than once claimed that the MorphOS Team has stolen AmigaOS source code. The latest incident happened on amigaworld.net: "We didn't steal a single line of code from AmigaOS… The MorphOS people did not not-do any of those things."

I'd like you to put up and present your evidence to the public. If this is not possible please send such evidence to my email address at sintonen@iki.fi for my review, and acknowledge sending it in public.

Alternatively you can of course retract your claims. An apology wouldn't hurt either.

Best Regards,
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 12:20:10 AM »
And the reason you are posting this bait here and not posting at the forum the comment was made is?
 

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 12:26:47 AM »
Quote from: Digiman;632669
And the reason you are posting this bait here and not posting at the forum the comment was made is?



...that Itix already did that.

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 12:44:41 AM »
Hmmm... odd thread... it's well know in Amigaland that everything has at one point in time been erm... borrowed shall we say... :)

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 12:50:09 AM »
Quote from: Piru;632662
Hello Dave,

You have more than once claimed that the MorphOS Team has stolen AmigaOS source code. The latest incident happened on amigaworld.net: "We didn't steal a single line of code from AmigaOS… The MorphOS people did not not-do any of those things."

I'd like you to put up and present your evidence to the public. If this is not possible please send such evidence to my email address at sintonen@iki.fi for my review, and acknowledge sending it in public.

Alternatively you can of course retract your claims. An apology wouldn't hurt either.

Best Regards,
Harry Sintonen
Member of the MorphOS Team


Harry,

Much as I respect you and your work on MorphOS, this kind of thing is just a waste of time.   Let's not piss off one of the few Amiga legends who still bothers to maintain an interest in Amiga developments.

Let's just delete this thread shall we?
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 01:32:34 AM »
Oh, ffs...
 

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 01:44:35 AM »
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Harry,

Much as I respect you and your work on MorphOS, this kind of thing is just a waste of time.   Let's not piss off one of the few Amiga legends who still bothers to maintain an interest in Amiga developments.

Let's just delete this thread shall we?

Well if anyone is making claims about something, the person, company, or group accused should be able to see the evidence against them.  I am speaking generally here.

The phrase in English is "Put up or Shut Up".

Personally I would like to think that these kinds of "wars" are behind us and that we are free to go our own ways and choose our own operating systems without accusation, trolling, or flaming.   In this case it was Mr. Haynie bringing up these old accusations.  Why it matters anymore is beyond me.  History is History and none of us can change it.
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 02:11:56 AM »
Rumors abound in amiga land.
 
I agree that if your going to make serious accusations like that, you should present evidence.
 
I've heard this rumor myself many times, but then I've also heard that they used an awful lot of aros source code.
 
If they are using aros source code then closing their own source and charging for the resulting product, I find a bigger problem with that.
 
Of crouse, I don't have evidence of morphos taking either os3.x or aros source code to use in their os, this is just some of the things people have said over the years.
 
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 02:25:12 AM »
PIru

I agree with you. If Dave is making comments like this he should apologize. I think he's just echoing what alot of the us old skool amiga guys said years ago..
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 02:46:22 AM »
Oh shoot.   By the title, I thought this was going to be a plea for Dave to take the Amiga reins and lead us into a brighter and unfragmented future.
 

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2011, 02:51:46 AM »
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Rumors abound in amiga land.
 
I agree that if your going to make serious accusations like that, you should present evidence.
 
I've heard this rumor myself many times, but then I've also heard that they used an awful lot of aros source code.
 
If they are using aros source code then closing their own source and charging for the resulting product, I find a bigger problem with that.
 
Of crouse, I don't have evidence of morphos taking either os3.x or aros source code to use in their os, this is just some of the things people have said over the years.
 
Steven


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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2011, 03:05:08 AM »
honestly Piru, I think the only thing this thread will do is cause viewers to buy flame proof clothes.
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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2011, 03:26:53 AM »
It's a laughable claim and it's wrong for people to keep making it, no matter who they are.  This claim was first made by Ben Hermans a decade ago.  If there were any evidence you can be sure it would have surfaced by now.  The fact that it hasn't speaks volumes.
 

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 05:27:38 AM »
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Harry,

Much as I respect you and your work on MorphOS, this kind of thing is just a waste of time.   Let's not piss off one of the few Amiga legends who still bothers to maintain an interest in Amiga developments.


Let's not piss someone.. its HIM who has the right to be pissed. Only god knows how much Piru has spent time on MorphOS, and the last thing he need is someone telling around he and his team have stolen code.

On a sidenote, seriously, just take a look at the memberlist of MorphOS-team.. does someone really think they even NEED to steal anything and not do it themselves?
 

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Re: An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 05:33:46 AM »
I'm with Dave. It is not all too untrue claim. There is just not point in arguing it at this point.  Your Ego needs a tougher skin.