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Old 02-02-2011, 04:27 PM   #21
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I think you should consider AROS for your Amiga fix then - also a fine choice. ;-)
Tried that, but after using MorphOS for so long Aros is just a very big step backwards. I've still got a couple of real Amiga's to get my Amiga fix :-)
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:58 PM   #22
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I don't mind paying for it but when it comes to being told things like you need to prove your machine is broken, when you sell your machine you need to take it off etc... then I'm afraid that's a big No No to me...
Franko,

Actually the opposite, it is suggested you sell the hardware with the Morphos license.

I sold my efika with license for $1 + the price of a new license for my mini g4 1.4. The efika was pretty lame - slow flaky USB, not enough ram, etc.

But... the end result may be yet another Morphos user somewhere. Probably a frustrated user, but a user that would not have happened had I simply transfered the licence to better hardware.

Perhaps when/if morphos is released for my powerbook5,8 I'll do the same with the mini g4. I'll ask more than $1 though...
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:13 PM   #23
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At the moment I have my 4th MorphOS machine. Past three ones I sold with licence fee calculated in price. What is such a big deal about it?

At least you can buy HW with on os 'suggested' by retailer or producer.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:31 PM   #24
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As long as that restriction exists I'm not going to invest in MorphOS again.
Same here. If I cannot buy a license that gives me rights to install it on whatever hardware I decide myself, then I'm simply not interested in buying it at all.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:34 PM   #25
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In addition it might be worth noting that new MorphOS versions are free to registered users (meaning that the keyfile works with future versions). This has been the case ever since MorphOS 2.0 release where the registration fee was introduced. This means that MorphOS 2.0 users have gotten 7 free upgrades so far.
If I buy MorphOS 2.7 do you know what will be the last free update version available to me? 2.8, 3.0, 3.5, 4.1 etc
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:35 PM   #26
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Same here. If I cannot buy a license that gives me rights to install it on whatever hardware I decide myself, then I'm simply not interested in buying it at all.
Crack it.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:37 PM   #27
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Actually the opposite, it is suggested you sell the hardware with the Morphos license.
And if he wants to keep the hardware to run OSX, Linux, *BSD or whatever?

This licensing scheme is just bullocks, plain and simple.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:38 PM   #28
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And if he wants to keep the hardware to run OSX, Linux, *BSD or whatever?

This licensing scheme is just bullocks, plain and simple.
One has to ask if it's even legal within the EU?
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:38 PM   #29
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Crack it.
Not worth it.
UAE on proper hardware runs in circles around it anyways.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:52 PM   #30
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And if he wants to keep the hardware to run OSX, Linux, *BSD or whatever?
Rather academic and unlikely. The hw MorphOS runs on *is* already outdated and cheap. A Powermac goes for really little money and its worth is not really increasing over time. Or to say it that way: most of these computers are more or less worthless marketwise. There is not much to lose. If you happen to ditch your MorphOS installation on a Powermac and desperatle have the desire to run BSD on such a device, sell the reg'd maschine and buy another non reg'd one - you'll get a good share of the registration fee back.
And honestly - how often do you change your Amiga? Well, I bought somewhen in the nineties an A1200, 2002 as successor a Pegasos, 2008 as successor a Mac mini G4 - those devices are really written off. Life is too short for hindering principles (bit bold statement though, but there is some truth in it).
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:39 PM   #31
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:35 PM   #32
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Rather academic and unlikely.
Excuse me? That is not unlikely for me and the people I surround myself with, I have yet to sell any computer that I've bought. And there's nothing desperate about running NetBSD on an old G4, stop being an arse.
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Old 02-03-2011, 05:21 AM   #33
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Of course I would like to be able to install my keyfile for all my computers too, but if you think it realistic, what would be the better licence scheme for both user and developers on current market situation? I think it's fair compromise currently.

If you could use bought keyfile without limits, that would crash the already small sales to bottom because of the illegal copying, that's for sure.

Any kind of network authentication would be doomed too. I trust my equipment lasts longer than any support services would probably be online in the future. I want to be sure I can reinstall my system in any situation in any time, even when the OS development has stopped. Just like with my old Amiga software.

And as said, you can sell your old keyfile with your old computer, if you want to part with it. In the most cases you have been using the system long enough to make it worth it even if you wouldn't get money back with selling. Compare it to other regular or annual expenses and it doesn't make that much. I bet you can get much more fun with it that many other activities you might be putting your money in.

Mainstream systems can afford for piracy, because of big userbase, but there are some licences tied to hw too.

In practise, OS4 is tied to HW too. You cannot buy new HW without the OS included and charged. And it has separate versions for each platform. If you want to upgrade from your old A1 to SAM or Peg2 or something else, you have to buy new copy of the OS. In practise the same thing like with MorphOS. It just isn't seemingly tied that tight to HW, which is possible because they don't have any support for mainstream HW and thus the piracy isn't such a problem.

I still own my Pegasos1, which has paid OS. And I still own my A1200, which has paid OS too (actually several). Even though I'm currently using Mac mini, I don't see any problem having bought software for those older computers in the past.
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Well, use whatever excuses you like. At the end of the day, the license issue is the final straw for quite a few of us. And, OS4 is not tied to the hardware.
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Well, use whatever excuses you like. At the end of the day, the license issue is the final straw for quite a few of us. And, OS4 is not tied to the hardware.
I'd still like to give it try using the trial period but these licence things really bug me, if for example I can't transfer the licence to a another machine if I decide to buy another computer then there is no way I'd purchase a licence...
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And, OS4 is not tied to the hardware.
Literally not, but in practise it is in the cases many have said here against MorphOS's policy.


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I'd still like to give it try using the trial period
Just to make sure, it isn't like trial period is with many other programs. You can use it as long as you want. Feel free to use it 10 years without registration, it just slows down after 30 mins on every session and gives you nagging requester. You can continue to use it anyway and you aren't forced to reboot, but reboot will make it fast for another 30 mins again and again.

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but these licence things really bug me, if for example I can't transfer the licence to a another machine if I decide to buy another computer then there is no way I'd purchase a licence...
You have been given many options. My advice is to buy good enough machine which you aren't going to give up anytime soon. Or get some dirt cheap test machine before buying proper one for registration.
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You have been given many options. My advice is to buy good enough machine which you aren't going to give up anytime soon. Or get some dirt cheap test machine before buying proper one for registration.
That sounds like good advice to me... cheers...
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Literally not, but in practise it is in the cases many have said here against MorphOS's policy.
Not at all. With OS4 I can easily replace hardware as I'm pleased without having to send any documentation about anything to anyone.
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Not at all. With OS4 I can easily replace hardware as I'm pleased without having to send any documentation about anything to anyone.
But replace it with what? Most OS4 hardware comes bundled with the OS.
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Not at all. With OS4 I can easily replace hardware as I'm pleased without having to send any documentation about anything to anyone.
In practise it you can replace only Pegasos and PowerUp without having to buy new license. You can not buy A1 or SAM, new or used, without OS4.

I dont know if they are going to release 4.2 what can be installed on any machine but so far version 4.1 has been tailored for each platform.
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