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Old 03-12-2011, 06:04 PM   #41
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

BooBoo, you should definitely try the AGA Boost 030 driver: http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/agaboost030ec

I hope it's speedy enough to get things done, I haven't tried it myself yet, I hoped there would be a 020 version to use with my 10MB A1200.

Magnetic, as long as your Apollo is a model with a 030 and not a EC030 it should be very nice to run Shapeshifter, even faster than my own A1200, unless you have no MMU and you'll have to use the video driver I recommended to BooBoo.

I found another driver for 030/MMU/ECS machines which I will have to try on my A600 and compare it to the MuEVD driver I'm currently using, which seems very quick considering this is on slow ECS.
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

hi cammy

Yeah its the full version 030 w/ mmu So exciting..,
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Old 03-12-2011, 10:38 PM   #43
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Thank you Cammy ill check it out
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Old 03-13-2011, 01:57 PM   #44
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

Cammy, if I hold Shift, my system locks, no reboot. I have to power down to get back to the OS.

Does Shapeshifter need an FPU or something? Or I am wondering...

since RAD will not use my Apollo 060's Fast RAM, maybe some other programs like Shape Shifter are having issue with it too?


Also can I just use the Addbuffers command in my user-startup?
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Old 03-13-2011, 04:58 PM   #45
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

I'm really sorry but I'm stumped as to why Shapeshifter is crashing while it starts up on your 060. I know other people have definitely run it on them though, so don't give up. Perhaps there's an option somewhere that needs to be selected, or perhaps you need to try a different boot image or ROM file.

Shapeshifter doesn't need a FPU. My A1200 and A600 don't have them.

You can definitely add the AddBuffers command to the User-Startup, but I think you can also effectively do the same thing by increasing the buffers for each partition in HDToolBox as well, which might be more efficient than adding extra commands to the boot sequence.
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Old 03-13-2011, 05:52 PM   #46
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try this in s/user-startup

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Old 03-13-2011, 06:57 PM   #47
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

It's all your fault Cammy! You are the Pied Piper of false hopes!!! Shame on you!

I'll keep tinkering. I'm also going to play with this on my 600 tonight as well. Will report....

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I'm really sorry but I'm stumped as to why Shapeshifter is crashing while it starts up on your 060. I know other people have definitely run it on them though, so don't give up. Perhaps there's an option somewhere that needs to be selected, or perhaps you need to try a different boot image or ROM file.

Shapeshifter doesn't need a FPU. My A1200 and A600 don't have them.

You can definitely add the AddBuffers command to the User-Startup, but I think you can also effectively do the same thing by increasing the buffers for each partition in HDToolBox as well, which might be more efficient than adding extra commands to the boot sequence.
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

Is it possible to give the Mac OS an actual HFS partition to work on? In a fit of pique I've gone and decided to go back to 3.9 on an 80GB hard drive, but I'd like to make a partition that is Mac native for the shapeshifter (the idea is to make a partition as well for AROS 68K to live in.)

My initial thought was to slam it on into my linux box, cfdisk it and make a bunch of partitions, but I wasn't too sure which ones should be primary and which should be logical, or if I couldn't just do this with HDToolBox either.
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Is it possible to give the Mac OS an actual HFS partition to work on?
Yes.

I think the partition has to be in the first 2GB of the drive though.
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Cammy, if I hold Shift, my system locks, no reboot. I have to power down to get back to the OS.

Does Shapeshifter need an FPU or something? Or I am wondering...

since RAD will not use my Apollo 060's Fast RAM, maybe some other programs like Shape Shifter are having issue with it too?


Also can I just use the Addbuffers command in my user-startup?
Try to disable specific 060 caches (Superscalar IIRC).
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:42 PM   #51
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Anybody know a good place to get OS 7.6.1 for install? Cammy's hardfile doesn't work if you are installing to a dedicated partition.
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:59 PM   #52
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Default Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?

Well, found out that 7.6.1 was never released "into the wild," so am sourcing a solution elsewhere.

Also, for the myved etc etc, I think the easiest solution is to download the whole shebang here:

http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib#contents

This has all of it, plus a handy dandy install script and the full set of documentation, which is a good read.
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http://nbbemulation.free.fr/forum_ma...opic.php?id=43 at least US 7.6 is there.
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Anybody know a good place to get OS 7.6.1 for install? Cammy's hardfile doesn't work if you are installing to a dedicated partition.
You can't just boot Cammy's hardfile, format the partition and drag the system folder over from Cammy's hardfile?

I thought for sure that is how I did it.
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if not, you can use this method on the infamous 'jeans' hardfile that you can find online or on some cucd. or try to find macos8.1 classic.
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if not, you can use this method on the infamous 'jeans' hardfile that you can find online or on some cucd. or try to find macos8.1 classic.
You know what was terrible? I had kept the copy of OS 8 that came with my power mac clone so many years ago. I found it in my CD holder, only to realize it had a split!

Ah, well, it's (hopefully) sorted soon. Oh, and I can't get Cammys HDfile to boot - I'm not sure if my download is corrupted or not, so I'm just going about it the manual way for now.
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The Muv-thing driver that Cammy is talking about is pretty good.
I use it on my 1200 shapeshifter setup (AGA and B1260) and i get 0.750 of the video speed of a real Quadra 605 Mac according to Speedometer 4.02 in 640*480 8 bits.
Not sure faster result could be achieved with AGA.
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The issue I'm having now is that I boot up into 7.6.1, and as per shapeshifter instructions, I set the hard drive partiton I want to use in the prefs. OS comes up, says it needs to be initialized. I say OK, give it a name, it churns for 30 minutes, then says Disk Initialization failed. I'm not sure what is messing up.
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My experience is that hard files with SFS are faster than dedicated Mac partitions and more flexible too.
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The issue I'm having now is that I boot up into 7.6.1, and as per shapeshifter instructions, I set the hard drive partiton I want to use in the prefs. OS comes up, says it needs to be initialized. I say OK, give it a name, it churns for 30 minutes, then says Disk Initialization failed. I'm not sure what is messing up.
annoying, but sounds familiar. I had loads of issues configuring a partition for mac emulation. in the end I had to split it in 2. That worked, somehow. Also make sure its below the first 4GB of your drive! You need to boot from the Jeans hardfile. After macos has loaded, it will ask you to initialise the new partition. this should now work. then copy the files over from the hardfile to your partition. hardfiles are in general the better option. but a dedicated partition is ofcourse way cooler.. good luck.
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