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Old 04-15-2014, 05:52 PM   #1
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Default A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

I know to many this may seem like a far fetched and silly project, but I am trying here. I think it would be super cool to have a portable Amiga console with new custom chipset that provide equal quality graphics as say of PS 2/PS 1 with 1 GB of CHIP RAM and fast processor speed and custom workbench OS and kickstart with backward capabilities of AGA/ECS/OCS. It also allows you to run directly Amiga classic software and application into the portable console. More about it over here:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a...sole/x/6382309

If you guys think this is a super cool idea and think it is worth it, then you can proof it by donating to this project. If you guys believe it is a waste of time and there many reasons why this wouldn't work I love to hear it also.


I think myself it would be super cool to have a new portable console that is 68k Amiga with it's own new build in custom chipset, have WiFi, browse the net, able to use youtube and have new games developed for it and also allows you to play the old Amiga games and apps without emulator.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:37 PM   #2
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

What you really want to do is put UAE emulator on some real hardware. Most of that would be programming.
Instead of booting into the OS, you boot into UAE and configure the speed and chips first. Then boot into Workbench (or game).
You could pick an ARM chip to run the emulator side, and not worry about a non-existent 233mhz 68k core.

Approx what size will it be?
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:55 PM   #3
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

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What you really want to do is put UAE emulator on some real hardware. Most of that would be programming.
Instead of booting into the OS, you boot into UAE and configure the speed and chips first. Then boot into Workbench (or game).
You could pick an ARM chip to run the emulator side, and not worry about a non-existent 233mhz 68k core.

Approx what size will it be?

I was thinking of along the line everything real not emulated. Maybe the UAE side will be customized not to feel emulated and it will be part of the OS and that is the one which would be running classical Amiga. But my real intention that the original Workbench 3.1, kick31.rom part the actual classical Amiga software and OS and kickstart would take advantage of the new hardware advantage such as the new real custom chipset AGA-II, the 1 GB CHIP RAM, etc. It would be like the new Amiga 8000 for example but in a portable console.
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:37 AM   #4
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

I think you are shooting for too low of audio quality speccing a 32-bit Paula chip, why not just go 64 or 128 bit ... should be plenty of money in that $20,000 budget to afford useful features like that right?
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:49 AM   #5
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

With 20k you wouldn't even be able to design one custom chip. Btw. nice drawing
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:53 AM   #6
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

It would have been great, if you had done some more work, than just an image in paint.
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Old 04-16-2014, 01:52 AM   #7
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

btw. Why don't you install Oracle Virtual Box. You can fiddle with an OS all you want without breaking anything.
I'm setting myself to make an extra lean XP install. I've read more bad things about Windows 8 and want to stay well clear of it.
We do have powerful hardware nowadays that you are fully locked away from by horrible operating systems.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:40 AM   #8
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

Nice idea, but real products don't come from MS Paint drawings and dreams.

Look at the time that has been put into products like the FPGA Arcade to even get compatibility with AGA in hardware. This is being done by many people who are effectively doing the dev work for free because they love the platform.

Is there a market for a version of the FPGA Arcade that connects to a LCD and is housed in a PSP-style casing? Maybe, but I think that potential customers of this would just buy an existing handheld console that supports UAE (GP2X, etc, do IIRC).

That IndieGogo project is going to stay at $000.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:34 AM   #9
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.


WOW, based on this design I'm in!
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:40 AM   #10
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

Id rather someone came up with an affordable PPC motherboard capable of running AmigaOS4. All of the current ones are pretty dated now, and fairly expensize. the new AmigaONE is lovely and all that but so far out of the range of my disposable income that I cant consider it.

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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

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Id rather someone came up with an affordable PPC motherboard capable of running AmigaOS4. All of the current ones are pretty dated now, and fairly expensize. the new AmigaONE is lovely and all that but so far out of the range of my disposable income that I cant consider it.

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Yes, what happened to the limePC (or some netbook) that was supposed to get os4 support? That would be a better plan.
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Old 04-16-2014, 12:25 PM   #12
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

The Limebook was a nice idea, but it had one major drawback:
the makers of it stopped making it.

That tends to be a pretty major flaw.

The initial investment required to restart production would have been huge, and the resulting price point too high for its specs.
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

Yes I would also much rather see a new and cheap(ish) ppc mobo.
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Old 04-17-2014, 02:45 AM   #14
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

How does this end up in the news section? Is there no screening process or are all the moderators idiots?
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:21 AM   #15
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

I suspect the idea was that the news was the indie-go-go bounty being started.
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

In theory it sounds good but starting a campaign based on no actual research or work to show...bad idea.

The sketch is poor and silly. I have been thinking about the same thing recently though, a portable amiga computer/console.

Its surely doable but such a thing takes ALOT of work.

See the dragonbox pyra, its being made for I believe 40,000 euros and that's just the prototype. Mass production will be funded with pre-orders.

http://www.pyra-handheld.com/specs.html

A portable amiga is a pipe-dream of mine too but just that.

Too many people don't seem to understand the amount of work that goes into such an undertaking. It ain't all roses.

I have a small games company and am working on a commercial title but god knows how that will work out in terms of profits.
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Old 04-18-2014, 01:47 AM   #17
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I suspect the idea was that the news was the indie-go-go bounty being started.
Is it considered newsworthy what some dude dreams up and then wants to trick people out of their money for just because it's part of an indiegogo campaign? Anyone can set up a campaign there, and I don't think it should be treated as something newsworthy whenever someone makes their pipe dreams public.

No wonder Amiga has been plagued with vaporware and false hopes if people actually take this campaign seriously. You all deserve it!

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Old 04-18-2014, 09:48 AM   #18
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Exclamation Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

Is this April fools day?

i think ill stick with a real Amiga or cd32 console, at least I know the joypad looks better than that drawing lol..
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

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With 20k you wouldn't even be able to design one custom chip.

He wouldn't need to go ASIC. Use an FPGA, and none of it is impossible. Basically a console shaped Minimig board with a PowerPC upgrade slot from the sounds of things. FPGA-Arcade may already satisfy the majority of all that. For a livingroom console, for a handheld console then he'd have to do a new board, and it might not fit a PPC addon.
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Default Re: A new Amiga portable console with new custom chipset.

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Amiga console with new custom chipset that provide equal quality graphics as say of PS 2/PS 1

Well, on the graphics front the possibilities I'm finding start with OpenGraphics, OpenShader, GPGPU and potentially Number9 Graphics cores.

OpenGraphics seems to have been in the freezer for quite a while. The team lead there claims to have been distracted and helping to work on GPGPU.

The Number9 core has quite a ways to go to meet its kickstarter goal to make the core open-sourced. Interesting though.

Any would take up quite a bit of space in an FPGA implementation,


http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openshader/
https://github.com/jbush001/GPGPU
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-processor-gpu

I understand that the Manticore is essentially long gone.
http://icculus.org/manticore/links.php

I haven't found anything else mentioning 3d support, but a variety of 2d VGA controllers out there.
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