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Old 11-27-2010, 02:05 AM   #41
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

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there is a password needed to checkout aros svn. id like to see if i can build it. optionally could test on my a4k with flashrom as soon as some sort of hd interface is supported. any chance that aos devices will work under aros?
You can get source package from downloads page:

http://aros.sourceforge.net/download.php

or a read-only GIT access here:

http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:05 AM   #42
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thx. wasnt entirely succesful yet to check out the code, blame the bad connection.
will report back if i need build instructions, but have to see the makefiles first.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:37 AM   #43
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The bounty has passed $2000, thanks to everyone who donated

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Old 12-02-2010, 05:18 PM   #44
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

Correct me if I'm wrong because I have a poor knowledge on this. But is this Kickstart replacement a reverse engineering of the original Kickstart?

Anyways, I love how AROS is doing well. Might try it to my computer soon. I am a mere new guy in the Amiga world and I respect all the people maintaining how great Amiga (or AmigaOS) is.
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Old 12-02-2010, 06:51 PM   #45
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

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Correct me if I'm wrong because I have a poor knowledge on this. But is this Kickstart replacement a reverse engineering of the original Kickstart?

Anyways, I love how AROS is doing well. Might try it to my computer soon. I am a mere new guy in the Amiga world and I respect all the people maintaining how great Amiga (or AmigaOS) is.
Sort of... Basically AROS is an operating system build to the same specification as AmigaOS, this is quite easy to do as the OS was VERY well documented... In theory it should be a drop in replacement for the original OS, Jason and Toni are currently working through the source code fixing areas of incompatibility
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:27 AM   #46
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

Progress report from Toni:

"Dos packet conversion success! (maybe)

WB3.0 and 3.1 disks now boot without any extra warning or error
messages (loadwb of course does nothing)
WB2.0 works but ConClip crashes. (different problem than in WB3.x
ConClip)
WB 1.x can't work without BCPL compatibility layer.
Other randomly chosen non-BCPL CLI programs also seem to work quite
nicely now.

Both disks were copied to UAE directory filesystem because AFS handler
dos packet conversion is not yet ready.

Still lots of work to do, some commands still crash, monitor drivers
crash (not much hope to make them work I guess but at least need to
prevent crashing) etc.."
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:34 AM   #47
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

Sweet! Nice to hear things are progressing along even if with some issues. Thank you for the hard work and the update. Waiting anxiously...
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:47 PM   #48
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

Yet another update, this time from Jason:

With Toni's DOS Packets patches, and my recent checkins tonight,
I currently have C:Echo from WB 1.3 (BCPL!) working.

Now that the BCPL and Packet support infrastructure is here,
full AmigaOS 1.3 support for BCPL CLI applications is just
a Small Matter of Programming.

We're starting to get desperate for a 'Wanderer Lite' that
could be made ROMmable. It would be nice if someone that
has some GUI experience could take that up.

I expect to have 95% of the Workbench 1.3/3.0/3.1 BCPL apps
working by mid-January 2011.

Does anyone know of any 'major' BCPL applications out there
that I should test with other than those on the Workbench/Install
disks for 1.x/2.x/3.x?
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:13 AM   #49
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The progress Aros is making is simply amazing! :shock:
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Does anyone know of any 'major' BCPL applications ...
Did any non-CBM developers ever write any applications in BCPL? Back in '87, I don't remember any Amiga BCPL compilers being available. I suspect the BCPL compiler used for AmigaDOS was on a workstation and cross-compiled for Amiga hardware. Any West Chester people care to comment?
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Did any non-CBM developers ever write any applications in BCPL? Back in '87, I don't remember any Amiga BCPL compilers being available. I suspect the BCPL compiler used for AmigaDOS was on a workstation and cross-compiled for Amiga hardware. Any West Chester people care to comment?
I believe it's more for 1.3 C folder commands. In 2.0, nothing was BCPL, iirc. So those C commands were calling BCPL libraries instead of C/C++ libraries. Something to this effect.
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:33 PM   #52
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

Hi,

Another progress report from Toni:

m68k-amiga AROS port now boots AROS original startup-sequence without
any weird side-effects (no insert disk requesters or boot shell not
closing etc)
Most utilities run and most preferences programs at least open.

<snip>

And finally, WB1.3 startup-sequence runs quite nicely now. Remaining
problems: FastFonts (ff) corrupts all fonts and system/setmap expects
LONG return type from OpenDevice().
(Is it ok to change OpenDevice()/WaitIO()/DoIO() return type to LONG?
it should have no effect to existing programs)

I think now most problems "only" require lots and lots of time for
debugging.
Of course also need to find some kind of tiny WB replacement and
rewriting chipset HIDD for KS replacement purposes. (and IDE driver
and and..)

EDIT: screenshot:

http://download.aros3d.org/pictures/...2010-12-28.png

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Old 12-27-2010, 03:48 PM   #53
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

i dont know if 512kb ks should be really a requirement at this time, most people will want to use it on uae, and these who would like to run it on classic (like me) probably have already deneb or similar hardware providing possibility to hold (even an extended, for what i know) kickstart in flash.

you will need a lot of testers soon i suppose. i must see how can i link in.
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:08 PM   #54
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The MiniMig will run with a 1 Meg KS wont it?
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:59 PM   #55
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Default Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase II) Assigned

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Hi,

Another progress report from Toni:

m68k-amiga AROS port now boots AROS original startup-sequence without
any weird side-effects (no insert disk requesters or boot shell not
closing etc)
Most utilities run and most preferences programs at least open.

<snip>

And finally, WB1.3 startup-sequence runs quite nicely now. Remaining
problems: FastFonts (ff) corrupts all fonts and system/setmap expects
LONG return type from OpenDevice().
(Is it ok to change OpenDevice()/WaitIO()/DoIO() return type to LONG?
it should have no effect to existing programs)

I think now most problems "only" require lots and lots of time for
debugging.
Of course also need to find some kind of tiny WB replacement and
rewriting chipset HIDD for KS replacement purposes. (and IDE driver
and and..)

EDIT: screenshot:

http://download.aros3d.org/pictures/...2010-12-28.png
Toni is making very rapid progress, AROS-68k is almost here
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One more screen shot

http://download.aros3d.org/pictures/...2010-12-31.png
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:06 AM   #57
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I think now most problems "only" require lots and lots of time for debugging.
I'm not sure what I could bring to the effort, but I would be willing to help in whatever way I could.

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I'm not sure what I could bring to the effort, but I would be willing to help in whatever way I could.

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Once Toni is satisfied with stability/features he will most probably prepare some realease. At that point it will be up to the community to test how AROS m68k works with original games/applications and report problem. There will be a lot of work for people willing to help out
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The MiniMig will run with a 1 Meg KS wont it?
Mine won't at least. But that's a firmware issue, so if there's no firmware upgrade that can load a 1MB kickstart file available already, I'm sure someone will take a stab at it eventually.
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The MiniMig will run with a 1 Meg KS wont it?
The Minimig AGA core on the Replay board supports 1 MB ROMs.
The AROS ROM boots from the floppy image. It requires 68020+ CPU.
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