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[Karlos]

Originally Posted by the_leander

Yes.

Nice. No, wait, the other thing...

Although it's less and less. The other thing is that most of the routers I've seen supplied by ISPs are pretty ropey.

Yeah, a friend received one and apparently it was pants to set up and the wireless is temperamental in the extreme. Not sure what make it was.

[the_leander]

Originally Posted by Karlos

Nice. No, wait, the other thing...

You've not lived until you've gone on ADSL with just a modem :P

Originally Posted by Karlos

Yeah, a friend received one and apparently it was pants to set up and the wireless is temperamental in the extreme. Not sure what make it was.

The most consistently bad ones I've seen were made by Thompson - the speedtouch (presumably named such on account of how fast they cause you to reach for them and launch them out of the nearest window in a mix of frustration and fury).

[djrikki]

Fine Karlos... Poppadom it is then!

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by the_leander

You've not lived until you've gone on ADSL with just a modem :P

I was there... briefly

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by Karlos

I was there... briefly

Yep, me too. Now my ISP is Comcast. I actually thought ADSL was pretty fast, before I switched (hey, it was lightyears beyond dial up).
I can't imagine using it now.

[the_leander]

Originally Posted by Iggy

I can't imagine using it now.

Pah! Puny mortals with their wired connections to the internet!

I have seen the future, the future is 3G/HSDPA/4G.

It turns out that the internet is in fact going to become more unstable than Charles Manson and offer less bandwidth than an acoustic coupler during the hours of daylight.

[Franko]

Originally Posted by Karlos

*sigh*

Racial stereotype, much?

This may come as a surprise, but most people in India have never heard of Vindaloo or most of the other curry dishes you may be familiar with.

Completely of the real subject matter, but interesting non the less, a few interesting facts about Curries...

The word Vindaloo is actually Portuguese in origin. Most Indian curry's that we eat here in Britain especially Vindaloo are generally not eaten at all by the Indian community. Same applies to the Chinese currie, most chinese wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

What we in the UK call a currie is a derivative of what the Chinese and Indian Immigrants began selling when most of them came here in the late 50s and 60s. They adapted their traditional cuisine to suit the pallets of the natives here whom had soon became their main customer base.

Still I'm glad they did as it's my favorite food, I have 6 Chinese curries per week and 3 Indian curries, lovely jubbly....

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[Fats]

Originally Posted by takemehomegrandma

AROS will not be affected either, but it will also still not be close to be as usable as neither of the two others. MorphOS is Amiga done right! AROS may be a nice hobby for the involved developers, but from a users point of view, it's stumbling in MorphOS footsteps.

All in your opinion of course ...

I could argue that the only platform for which there is no investment made in new hardware is MOS. OS 3.x has Natami, FPGAArgcade; OS4 Sam460 & X1000 and AROS the iMiCA & the AresOne...
But I'm not going to

greets,
Staf.

[Fats]

Originally Posted by Karlos

Depends on how you connect. As long as your router is happy to have an external facing IPv6 address, I think IPv4 is wide enough for most people's LAN requirements

But once IPv6 only web sites starts to show up I don't think a router can save you as the browser would get a IPv6 address when doing the DNS lookup.

greets,
Staf.

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by Fats

But once IPv6 only web sites starts to show up I don't think a router can save you as the browser would get a IPv6 address when doing the DNS lookup.

greets,
Staf.

I dare say it will be a while before IPv6 only sites appear. There's too much in the way of entrenched IPv4 stuff out there in the real world for a simple "switch" from one to the other.

Wow, how did we get onto this again?

[kolla]

Originally Posted by the_leander

Outside of the community (and to a lesser extent the Alt OS crowd), these projects might as well not exist.

That's actually not quite true - I've been surprised more than once about people way outside of our community that are aware of Minimig, people who once upon a time had an Amiga or a friend who had Amiga, or even used Amiga in school. The things that holds them back from buying one are the lack of AGA and availability.

[kolla]

Originally Posted by Karlos

I dare say it will be a while before IPv6 only sites appear.

They are here already, some of them have been here for years. Ofcourse noone in the so called "real world" care about them, since the "real world" has only been IPv4.

Till now.
As mentioned, next year there will be no more new IPv4 addresses available, meaning that new allocations will come from dealing with IPv4 addresses already owned by people. This means IPv4 address blocks might end up as a commodity you have to pay for. In addition, as IPv4 blocks will shift around here and there, the reverse delegations in DNS will become more complex and the routing tables will also become more and more complex as more and more smaller IPv4 segmens becomes spread around. All in all - lots of work and money, expences that are easily avoided by simply shifting to IPv6, a protocol already supported by a large majority of the users and the equipment in between.

There's too much in the way of entrenched IPv4 stuff out there in the real world for a simple "switch" from one to the other.

Well, to some extent that is true, we will probably never really get rid of IPv4 - however, once IPv6 is established as "something most users have", you can bet your ass IPv4 services will start to vanish - rapidly, as there is work involved in maintaining both IPv6 and IPv4 in parallelle.

Wow, how did we get onto this again?

Expect this to come up more and more frequent in the coming years.

Oh - and no magic router will help you, sorry.

[Karlos]

@kolla

Not such a big deal here, since I mostly use my amiga's networking capabilities for local LAN stuff like samba shares, VNC etc.

[vidarh]

Originally Posted by Fats

But once IPv6 only web sites starts to show up I don't think a router can save you as the browser would get a IPv6 address when doing the DNS lookup.

It's easy enough to NAT and rewrite IPv4 to IPv6 in the router. Intercepting DNS traffic for NAT'ing purposes is easy and "cheap" - I don't think any routers produced today would have any problem handling the extra cost in processing of that kind of rewriting.

If I was running a major ISP today, I'd be looking for routers with capability to bridge IPv4 via NAT to IPv6 transparently to deploy to customers so that I could start transitioning my backbone to IPv6 on my own schedule rather than be dependent on customer equipment.