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Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« on: September 06, 2010, 04:25:20 PM »
Commodore USA has now used two different versions of the picture. One without his name and the AMIGA logo, and one with "AMIGA" logo and his name restored.

They put Marko's name back now, but they still don't seem to understand that you need a permission to use someone else's work.

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner's consent.



**EDIT** In case someone has hard time understanding the copyright law: The image is reproduced here under 'fair use' clause, specifically use for 'commentary'.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 04:43:32 PM »
The amount of comedy, drama and soap opera surrounding anything Amiga lol...  will it never end?! :)

I hope he got a license from Hyperion to use that image in the first place.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 04:49:28 PM »
And another post containing copywritten material that also complains about people posting material under copyright hits amiga.org.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 04:52:38 PM »
I don't know why they even bothered with that case design. IMHO, it's nothing special to look at.

Their replica line would be, judging by name, based on original designs, and anything else I presume would be slimmer and more modern looking than that Fantasy case, which looks early 90s...
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 04:53:34 PM »
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And another post containing copywritten material that also complains about people posting material under copyright hits amiga.org.
Another silly post from someone who doesn't grasp the copyright 'fair use' clause.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2010, 06:04:00 PM »
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The amount of comedy, drama and soap opera surrounding anything Amiga lol...  will it never end?! :)

I occasionally try to relate the level of tragedy-comedy in this arena to non-Amiga friends, but the growing look of horror in their generally eyes puts me off. ;-)

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I hope he got a license from Hyperion to use that image in the first place.
A license from Hyperion-Entertainment for what? They don't own "Amiga," "Fantasy," as Trademarks, nor anything to do with classic hardware; the screenshot looks pretty generic (in fact, looks more like Dopus than AmigaOS/Workbench).
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 01:10:53 PM »
Quick crosspost, here's a reply from the CEO, also covering this issue.

Frankly I'm amazed by the level of arrogance. Apparently the CEO knows very well that this is a blatant copyright infringement, but just doesn't give a damn.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 01:14:24 PM »
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(in fact, looks more like Dopus than AmigaOS/Workbench).

Nah, more like ToolManager dock and various MUI stuff, all in MagicWB style.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 01:31:31 PM »
Holy crap Piru.  If you're so worried about it why don't you sue Commodore on Marko's behalf?  What's one more lawsuit in in this freakshow called "Amiga"?
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 01:50:47 PM »
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I hope he got a license from Hyperion to use that image in the first place.
I hope you're joking.

Hyperion have nothing to do with it at all. Hyperion don't own the image to license, Hyperion don't own the Amiga or Commodore name to license. Hyperion isn't Amiga.


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Frankly I'm amazed by the level of arrogance. Apparently the CEO knows very well that this is a blatant copyright infringement, but just doesn't give a damn.
Most business owners I know are cocky and arrogant. This is small potatoes compared to what I see many small business owners in Florida doing.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 03:23:40 PM »
The website is a joke, looks like a knock-off site. In case he's reading. Here are some free tips I should charge you for this...

A) Use a photographer (not your own digital camera)
B) Use original product copy
C) Hire a web designer
D) Oh and whatever you do when releasing product don't use fanboy concept art for product mockups

These are things you learn first day at a community college web design course...or as a small business owner... even in south Florida.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 03:28:28 PM »
Has Marko Hirv said anything about this? I've heard several people say it is easy to find him and listed his company, but no comment from the man himself.

I'm betting he knows and doesn't care. I'm betting the "Amiga Copyright Maffia" (as someone else put it) has their panties so twisted that even if Marko came to this site and told them to relax and knock it off they still wouldn't.

WHOOOOO FREEAAAKINGGG CARRRREEESSSS ANNYYMMMOOORRRREEEE!!!!!

seriously most of the copyright and other IP holders have looooooooong since moved on. They do not care or wish to be bothered by stupid questions about a hobby they had 15 to 20 years ago. I have some art I produced on the amiga and pc 15 years ago and you can have it. In fact I don't want to be credited with most of that stuff.

This crap is getting so far out of hand it really appears that we don't want anything "amiga" or "commodore" to succede. Any before you pull out the "this is a hobby" BS let me point out that there are thousands of hobbies out there based on long defunct companies. I just saw a show on tv last night about a guy that collects and rebuilds steam vehicles including a stanley steamer. (he bought parts from someplace)

Model cars, model trains, vintage automobiles, old radios and tv's.

Oh no the Amiga is dead noone is allowed to profit on it in any way or they are "humping a corpse"

How about they are enjoying their hobby and helping other to also. You can buy a pc case with an alien head on it ut god forbid you get the rights to put a commodore logo.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 03:32:16 PM »
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How about they are enjoying their hobby and helping other to also.


The "I'M JUST DOING THIS TO MAKE MONEY, SCREW ALL YOU AMIGA FILTH" sentiment in Barry's reply does not indicate this.

I'm waiting for the Commodore branded toilet from Barrydore.  That guy's so full of shit, I bet he knows a good toilet when he sees one!
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 03:35:16 PM »
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The "I'M JUST DOING THIS TO MAKE MONEY, SCREW ALL YOU AMIGA FILTH" sentiment in Barry's reply does not indicate this.

I'm waiting for the Commodore branded toilet from Barrydore.  That guy's so full of shit, I bet he knows a good toilet when he sees one!


after the emails and phone calls he has received I'm suprised it isn't worse. Not to mention the storm of armchair stupidity he has unleased here and elsewhere.
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Re: Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 03:38:42 PM »
btw I reread his message to us, and I don't think it is arrogent, I think it is realistic. He doesn't think the amiga crowd is big enough to concern himself with. He is probably right. Its a bussiness of corse he is doing it for money, what the heck is wrong with that?
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