amiga.org
     
iconAll times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:28 AM. | Welcome to Forum, please register to access all of our features.

Amiga.org Amiga computer related discussion Amiga News and Community Announcements Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Notices

Amiga News and Community Announcements If you have a news item, or want to announce something to the entire online Amiga Community, this is the forum in which to place your announcement.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-21-2010, 09:49 PM   #21
amigadave
Lifetime Member
Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93
Activity: 69% Activity: 69% Activity: 69%
 
amigadave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Big Bear Lake, CA
Posts: 3,609
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

I don't think I know of any other "Community" of fans or users that is more critical than the Amiga Community. It can be a very uncomfortable position to be placed under such a powerful magnifying glass. Seems that there is always a few people that have to complain and try to throw mud.

I was one of those that got my AmiZilla donation back, very promptly I might add and it kind of upsets me to see these repeated attempts to make "Pyromania" / DiscreetFX look bad. Probably by people that have no interest in purchasing or downloading for free the source code for the NewTek Toaster/Flyer and related third party programs.

I am no DiscreetFX fanboy and I know that they have disappointed some people in the past, who hasn't, we are all human. But I give them credit for what they have done, have tried to do, and their continued interest and support in the Amiga community. It is too bad that we have to see what amounts to personal attacks on a public forum.
__________________
How are you helping the Amiga community?
amigadave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 10:09 PM   #22
amigadave
Lifetime Member
Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93
Activity: 69% Activity: 69% Activity: 69%
 
amigadave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Big Bear Lake, CA
Posts: 3,609
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyromania View Post
@SACC-guy

It's the first Paypal button at the right lower bottom of the page.
The page must render differently on my MacBook using Firefox because all the Paypal buttons are on the left side of the page.

Is it the first, topmost Paypal button?
__________________
How are you helping the Amiga community?
amigadave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 10:22 PM   #23
AmigaHeretic
Cult Member
Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
AmigaHeretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 821
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by amigadave View Post
I don't think I know of any other "Community" of fans
I'm just saying the whole thing stinks of rotting fish.

First the "sadly we have to" then when I make a suggestion to help out with bandwidth (that is the last news post on the OVT site about bandwidth costs) I get slagged off and get a "different" story. More funds for the bounty.

Then when I asked for clarification I get, slagged off some more, warned, unprofessionally bringing up a site that is not his nor any of his business. The whole thing is shady.


Yeah, sorry I offered to help with bandwidth ideas. What a jerk I am. Geez...
__________________
A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1)
Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen and Hydrogen, and we'd just have to shove them together.
AmigaHeretic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 11:47 PM   #24
amigadave
Lifetime Member
Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93 Points: 22,615, Level: 93
Activity: 69% Activity: 69% Activity: 69%
 
amigadave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Big Bear Lake, CA
Posts: 3,609
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Nice try. I'll agree with your last sentence though.
__________________
How are you helping the Amiga community?
amigadave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 11:57 PM   #25
Pyromania
Sent from my Quantum PC
Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92
Activity: 36% Activity: 36% Activity: 36%
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,501
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmigaHeretic View Post
I'm just saying the whole thing stinks of rotting fish.

First the "sadly we have to" then when I make a suggestion to help out with bandwidth (that is the last news post on the OVT site about bandwidth costs) I get slagged off and get a "different" story. More funds for the bounty.

Then when I asked for clarification I get, slagged off some more, warned, unprofessionally bringing up a site that is not his nor any of his business. The whole thing is shady.


Yeah, sorry I offered to help with bandwidth ideas. What a jerk I am. Geez...
Your right the bandwith overage message is confusing. We are in the process of removing that now. It is actually from Open Video Toaster's launch month over six years ago. The message has been on the website unchanged for six long years. You must not really be interested in the project if you only noticed it now.

Still we agree it did sound confusing and it's being removed. Sorry you feel that something is shady but your more then welcome to your opinion. That is usually how it goes by the way. The most vocal against a project don't actually have anything invested in it.


@amigadave

Lower left button yes your right. We mistyped on that one.


Last edited by Pyromania; 07-22-2010 at 12:02 AM..
Pyromania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 12:21 AM   #26
Pyromania
Sent from my Quantum PC
Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92
Activity: 36% Activity: 36% Activity: 36%
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,501
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

@AmigaHeretic

Did you also read the message below on openvideotoaster.org?

It has also been on the site for over six years.

"If you would like to help support Open Video Toaster you can do so via Paypal. Bandwidth charges have been met for now. Future donations will begin to go into the bounty pool so that the source-code can be updated. "
Pyromania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 11:11 AM   #27
AmigaHeretic
Cult Member
Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
AmigaHeretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 821
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyromania View Post
@AmigaHeretic

Did you also read the message below on openvideotoaster.org?

It has also been on the site for over six years.

"If you would like to help support Open Video Toaster you can do so via Paypal. Bandwidth charges have been met for now. Future donations will begin to go into the bounty pool so that the source-code can be updated. "
I saw that second part too, but thats part of what made it more confusing. With your first post in this thread and reading what had happened, it looked like you guys were 'again' having bandwidth charge issues, hence the need for a price change in the ISO.

Again, my suggestion was meant to help get donation in forms other than cash, i.e. bandwidth.

I apologize for any hurt feelings here. But can we agree your original posts wording is strange for just wanting to grow support for bounties?

I still stand by the belief that if you wanted to bring in more money for the bounty quickly, than making it $5 for a time combined with announcing your want to grow the bounties quickly. The full NewTek source code in a single ISO I think would has Historic value, and at $5, all those that have no actual need for the source code could be enticed to help out knowing they get something.

I just can't see how you get more people(that don't already have the ISO) interested in downloading it for 2x the price.
__________________
A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1)
Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen and Hydrogen, and we'd just have to shove them together.
AmigaHeretic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 03:14 PM   #28
Pyromania
Sent from my Quantum PC
Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92
Activity: 36% Activity: 36% Activity: 36%
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,501
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

@AmigaHeretic

Agreed the wording was bad and outdated. It is being changed to be more clear. I'll pass along your $5 idea to the others.
Pyromania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 05:21 PM   #29
Trev
Slacker
Points: 12,103, Level: 72 Points: 12,103, Level: 72 Points: 12,103, Level: 72
Activity: 15% Activity: 15% Activity: 15%
 
Trev's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: San Francisco, California, US
Posts: 1,524
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmigaHeretic View Post
??
BitTorrent only works as long as at least one peer has the bits you need. The only way to insure that is to host a permanent seed. The Video Toaster sources do not share the same level of popularity as World of Warcraft or Lady Gaga, so in all likelihood, Bill would have to seed the ISO image indefinitely. In any case, he's already said bandwidth charges weren't the impetus for the change, although he certainly implied that at the beginning. ;-)

EDIT: Mini-rant not directed at anyone in particular: We all pay for bandwidth, and the only "winners" are the large telcos, who whine whenever anyone tries to use the bandwidth that's already been paid for.

Last edited by Trev; 07-22-2010 at 05:26 PM..
Trev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 05:37 PM   #30
Pyromania
Sent from my Quantum PC
Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92 Points: 22,243, Level: 92
Activity: 36% Activity: 36% Activity: 36%
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,501
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

@Trev

Sorry for the confusion.
Pyromania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 05:55 PM   #31
kedawa
Cult Member
Points: 8,249, Level: 61 Points: 8,249, Level: 61 Points: 8,249, Level: 61
Activity: 24% Activity: 24% Activity: 24%
 
kedawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 700
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyromania View Post
The message has been on the website unchanged for six long years. You must not really be interested in the project if you only noticed it now.
LOL. The maintainers of the website must not really be interested in the project if there's that little activity on the page.
kedawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 07:08 PM   #32
AmigaHeretic
Cult Member
Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62 Points: 8,731, Level: 62
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
AmigaHeretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 821
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trev View Post
BitTorrent only works as long as at least one peer has the bits you need. The only way to insure that is to host a permanent seed. The Video Toaster sources do not share the same level of popularity as World of Warcraft or Lady Gaga, so in all likelihood, Bill would have to seed the ISO image indefinitely. In any case, he's already said bandwidth charges weren't the impetus for the change, although he certainly implied that at the beginning. ;-)

EDIT: Mini-rant not directed at anyone in particular: We all pay for bandwidth, and the only "winners" are the large telcos, who whine whenever anyone tries to use the bandwidth that's already been paid for.
I see where you were going. I was thinking/suggesting the community does the seeding and the OVT site could still have the regular download too. Many sites I've seen that need large bandwidth for something like this usually have the bittorent link listed first with a message asking to please use that if possible. Then the standard http/ftp download option listed a little smaller and second.

The message had said they paid over $300 in a single month for bandwidth overages. So in effect they'd still have the file for those that don't want to use the torrent, but we would be helping relieve that overage. Hence in effect donating $300+ a month.
__________________
A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1)
Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen and Hydrogen, and we'd just have to shove them together.
AmigaHeretic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2010, 01:03 AM   #33
Piru
' union select name,pwd--
Points: 30,457, Level: 100 Points: 30,457, Level: 100 Points: 30,457, Level: 100
Activity: 69% Activity: 69% Activity: 69%
 
Piru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 6,946
Default Re: Open Video Toaster Instant Download ISO going up in price

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trev View Post
BitTorrent only works as long as at least one peer has the bits you need. The only way to insure that is to host a permanent seed. The Video Toaster sources do not share the same level of popularity as World of Warcraft or Lady Gaga, so in all likelihood, Bill would have to seed the ISO image indefinitely.
He could easily limit the upload speed to something sensible, say 20KB/s. Even if he was seeding all the time (which would be highly unlikely with such low interest torrent) the traffic would be only 1.6GB per day.
Piru is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
download , price , video , toaster , open , iso , instant
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump