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[koaftder]

Originally Posted by dammy

http://www.anubis-os.org needs Linux/AOS Developers. Biggest issue since MrBIOS took over as Project Leader is getting Developers to agree on a starting point where the future development can evolve to the project's original goal and not throw out POSIX, but keep it hidden from end users. With limited number of Devs, it's a really tricky middle of the ground to find and have everyone agree to so that development can begin. Yes, it'll be x86/x86_64/ARM based. I expect to see bounties listed on Power2People in the next six months for Anubis-OS.

If this comes to fruition, it will blow AOS 4, MOS and AROS completely out of the water and pave the way for a modern amiga like OS that could actually be adopted by outsiders.

[Tension]

Originally Posted by runequester

They could do a machine running on ARM chips. They don't appear to be all that expensive

Pfft!

[Krischan76]

Originally Posted by Tajmaster

Hyperion need to stop farting around with PPC, it was great back in the day but who cares now?

I know this is quite a stretch, but I think the military does:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-U...s-127848.shtml

[DyLucke]

What the heck? ARM?
PPC man!

We still have PPC and it's not outdated at all. It could be a bit more expensive than ARM, but we already have a line on it and we don't need to shift to another non-compatible processor family, specially since ARM cannot emulate PPC.

If you want an ARM you should consider on buying an Efika MX... Big mistake genesi made there.

PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever. We can survive with these "outdated macs" that apple doesn't support anymore and that are really powerful for our daily use. Or even we can have some new project PPC based. Piru and team made it with MorphOS, and i'm sure they will keep on supporting that "outdated macs"...

I can't wait to have MorphOS installed on a G5 quad core. Or on a new-brand PPC based amiga board.

That's the way ahead.

[Wayne]

Hi guys,

Seriously, all debate aside, it's about 15 years too late now for "Amiga" (not particularly AI) to make any real dent, or even difference in the computer world outside of the hobbyist market.

At this point, 2010, the market is flooded with other, real, mature platforms from the PC, to the Mac, to even Linux and PS3 boxes. Put simply, even if someone had 100 billion dollars to put into development of a "new Amiga", there's simply no market for it to sell to.

Game machines? Covered.
Video Editing boxes? Covered.
Audio Editing boxes? Covered.
Desktops? Covered.
Laptops? Covered.
Netbooks / tablets? Covered.
Set top boxes? Covered.
Mobile services? Covered.
Cell phones? You got it... Covered...

I know you guys don't want to hear this. I don't blame you, but the simple fact remains. Even if someone were to come up with the one perfect idea for a "new Amiga", it might sell 500 boxes to hobbyists.

Most of this crowd would simply sit around arguing how the "new Amiga" isn't in fact an Amiga at all and how a "real Amiga" is xyz123, etc..

I hope I'm wrong. I hope someone here, rather than bitching about things will point out a commercially viable market that I've missed. Maybe if someone can do that, the developers will take notice, but my bet's on me at this point.

I mean, it's great to have a hobby you enjoy, and if using the Amiga is yours then that's very cool too. Just stop sitting here expecting some Godlike benefactor (even Amiga Inc or Genesi) to pop up and "save" it.

10 years ago, Amiga Inc bought (or perhaps licensed) a name. Just a name. It's clear that they had absolutely no vision or ideas as to what to do with their shiny new toy, but it's equally obvious that having just enough money to buy a name wasn't nearly enough to do anything with it.

In the end, we have our so-called "classic" boxes and the few willing to invest the thousands of dollars into it have either AmigaOne or Genesi boxes, but that's it.. No more, no less, and a "new" antiquated PPC box isn't going to be a game changer for anyone.

If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself honestly... "If I won 50 million dollars in the lottery today, would I invest it in the Amiga [as a brand]?"

Wayne

[Tension]

Originally Posted by Wayne

Hi guys,

Seriously, all debate aside, it's about 15 years too late now for "Amiga" (not particularly AI) to make any real dent, or even difference in the computer world outside of the hobbyist market.

At this point, 2010, the market is flooded with other, real, mature platforms from the PC, to the Mac, to even Linux and PS3 boxes. Put simply, even if someone had 100 billion dollars to put into development of a "new Amiga", there's simply no market for it to sell to.

Game machines? Covered.
Video Editing boxes? Covered.
Audio Editing boxes? Covered.
Desktops? Covered.
Laptops? Covered.
Netbooks / tablets? Covered.
Set top boxes? Covered.
Mobile services? Covered.
Cell phones? You got it... Covered...

I know you guys don't want to hear this. I don't blame you, but the simple fact remains. Even if someone were to come up with the one perfect idea for a "new Amiga", it might sell 500 boxes to hobbyists.

Most of this crowd would simply sit around arguing how the "new Amiga" isn't in fact an Amiga at all and how a "real Amiga" is xyz123, etc..

I hope I'm wrong. I hope someone here, rather than bitching about things will point out a commercially viable market that I've missed. Maybe if someone can do that, the developers will take notice, but my bet's on me at this point.

I mean, it's great to have a hobby you enjoy, and if using the Amiga is yours then that's very cool too. Just stop sitting here expecting some Godlike benefactor (even Amiga Inc or Genesi) to pop up and "save" it.

10 years ago, Amiga Inc bought (or perhaps licensed) a name. Just a name. It's clear that they had absolutely no vision or ideas as to what to do with their shiny new toy, but it's equally obvious that having just enough money to buy a name wasn't nearly enough to do anything with it.

In the end, we have our so-called "classic" boxes and the few willing to invest the thousands of dollars into it have either AmigaOne or Genesi boxes, but that's it.. No more, no less, and a "new" antiquated PPC box isn't going to be a game changer for anyone.

If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself honestly... "If I won 50 million dollars in the lottery today, would I invest it in the Amiga [as a brand]?"

Wayne

The situation is compounded by the fact that we can only run the OS on rare PPC hardware. Instead of one of the billions of x86 systems out there.

What a blunder!!

[Piru]

Originally Posted by Tension

The situation is compounded by the fact that we can only run the OS on rare PPC hardware. Instead of one of the billions of x86 systems out there.

One of the OSes is.

There are alternatives with easily available and affordable HW if you widen your horizon a bit.

[kolla]

Originally Posted by DyLucke

it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap

Please - can't we once and for all kill the misconception that a PS3 can match x86 in "computing power"? It cannot, not by a longshot. Yes, you can program the SPEs in a PS3 to do insanely limited tasks insanely fast, if programmed correctly. But 99.99% of the time you're not interested in doing such limited tasks, and that 3.2GHz PowerPC is the world's slowest CPU with that clockspeed - ever! Running Linux, my old 1,33GHz G4 iBook runs in circles around the PS3 on ordinary daily tasks. The PS3 was interesting for HPC usage exactly because they often have the need to do the insanely limited computations, but ordinary people do not!

Sheesh!!!

[jorkany]

Originally Posted by DyLucke

PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever.

The PS3 is hardly powerful, for general computing it's a joke and not even a good joke. Example of Blender render times:

http://eofw.org/bench/


You'll find a couple PS3 "systems" listed in the very bottom, the fastest:
3431 00:06:31.39 1x Sony PlayStation 3 IBM Cell 3000MHz 1 Cell Broadband 512MB Linux Ubuntu 2.44 test.blend Using Ubuntu on my Playstation 3. 2007-07-25 23:09:50


Compare to generic run-of-the-mill PC available at about the same price as PS3:
277 00:00:28.60 1x Intel® Core™2Quad Q6600 2400MHz 3381MHz 4 p35 4096MB WinXP Pro 2.45 test.blend 24/7 setup 2007-11-01 17:16:45

[JJ]

Originally Posted by DyLucke

What the heck? ARM?
PPC man!

We still have PPC and it's not outdated at all. It could be a bit more expensive than ARM, but we already have a line on it and we don't need to shift to another non-compatible processor family, specially since ARM cannot emulate PPC.

If you want an ARM you should consider on buying an Efika MX... Big mistake genesi made there.

PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever. We can survive with these "outdated macs" that apple doesn't support anymore and that are really powerful for our daily use. Or even we can have some new project PPC based. Piru and team made it with MorphOS, and i'm sure they will keep on supporting that "outdated macs"...

I can't wait to have MorphOS installed on a G5 quad core. Or on a new-brand PPC based amiga board.

That's the way ahead.

Why is the efika mx a bad idea, beacuse of the cpu? I belive thats the same chip thats in the new Nokia N900 , which is pretty amazing, my friend has one and its a nifft chip with seperate video/audio and call related cores.

[persia]

Maybe he's referring to a Military Spec PS3?

Originally Posted by kolla

Please - can't we once and for all kill the misconception that a PS3 can match x86 in "computing power"? It cannot, not by a longshot. Yes, you can program the SPEs in a PS3 to do insanely limited tasks insanely fast, if programmed correctly. But 99.99% of the time you're not interested in doing such limited tasks, and that 3.2GHz PowerPC is the world's slowest CPU with that clockspeed - ever! Running Linux, my old 1,33GHz G4 iBook runs in circles around the PS3 on ordinary daily tasks. The PS3 was interesting for HPC usage exactly because they often have the need to do the insanely limited computations, but ordinary people do not!

Sheesh!!!

[persia]

PPC isn't dead of course, IBM's latest Power7 development looks like a pretty potent processor. If it can deliver hardware clustering it'll be quite the thing for your home super computer.

But what will the chip cost and how much to put it into a motherboard and how much can OS 4 really use the multi-core features/clustering? And what advantage would this give a home user?

Really the problem is that the market has matured since 1985. In '85 there was little software, computers in homes were unusual, mobile phones were 1G brick that had sparse coverage. People used film cameras, records were the way to sell music, CDs were expensive and somewhat rare. People still had music on tape! Computers came with floppy drives and floppy drives actually had some use. TV was analogue. Domain names were brand new, people often used bang paths. It was a different time.

[JJ]

Sorry but "bang paths" sounds disgussting. Same as discharge just sounds wrong.

[QuikSanz]

Originally Posted by koaftder

The Amiga never had anything to do with limited power consumption. Besides, PPC doesn't mean lower power anyway. x86 and PPC architecture has nothing to do with power consumption. You can find power hogs and power sippers in both camps.

Hi,

The new machine's CPU runs at 20 watts, I'll bet this space heater, I mean PentiumD machine will draw 200 watts easy.
Back in the day there was no such thing as big differences in power consumption, a CPU was pretty much a CPU. Things have changed. Sure there are uses for such power but not every day.

Chris.

[persia]

You wonder about someone calling a PentiumD modern, but that aside an Atom N270 draws 2.5 Watts on the flip side my Dual Quad Core (8 cores total) Mac Pro will probably draw 50 watts idle and 250 when it's pushed, but which machine would you prefer to do 3D animation on?