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Old 01-06-2010, 05:22 PM   #61
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

In the other one of these threads, I specualated that the teaser animation on their page was an anagram for Amiga One, and perhaps they were going to make an 'actually working' version. I was right :-)

This looks like a great machine, if it delivers, I'll be stoked :-) Here's hoping!
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:31 PM   #62
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

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I am trying... -really, really hard- not to say anything negative... I really am (believe me)
So don't man, we'll never have another jump the same as the classic Amigas again but this is certainly something different than a plain jane PC or Mac motherboard. ;^)


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But if you somehow could implement an x86 core on the X-chip? Then you could run a Wine-like application in AmigaOS PPC "built on the true sources of the only Workbench source", you would be able to run quite a lot of apps then (that was actually one of my main reasons for wanting AmigaOS ported to x86, you would somehow probably be able to run Windows apps such as on the Mac with Paralells).
If I want to run Windows software I'll use a Windows computer, they are cheap enough now. Although, PCIe bridegboard anyone? AMD chips are cheap enough to put a whole system on a card. ;^)

I do agree that ultimately it would seem to make sense to work towards porting AmigaOS to the x64 processor line. (AMD/Intel) This new board does offer us a good option for running AmigaOS as it stands now and it will be sold as a complete computer again.

That's real progress, yes - it's been far too long but I for one am excited to see a company trying to bring some new ideas to the table and it will be great to see my beloved OS back on a commercially available computer. I don't think we really know what the programmable chip will be good for, there have always been creative people in the Amiga community. I'm interested to see what they come up with.

Since the Xorro slot allows you to add up to 254 more of the programmable chips, it could be really interesting. 8^)
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:35 PM   #63
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

I think this is very interesting. Competition certainly is good.
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:51 PM   #64
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

Great news for the "enthusiast" community.

Business as usual for everyone else.
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Old 01-07-2010, 12:50 AM   #65
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

@coldfish +1

Exactly... It'll no doubt be a boost for the enthusiasts who like this sort of system, but for the rest of the computing world it'll (unfortunately) be just as relevant as the AmigaOne, Sam, Efika or Minimig...

I'm guessing (a BIG guess, knowing nothing about pricing atm , but...) total sales would be in the sub-1000 region, so it will remain a hobbyist box...

Not saying I won't get one though! :-)

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Old 01-07-2010, 12:59 AM   #66
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Great news for the "enthusiast" community.

Business as usual for everyone else.
Most people prefer their computing to be bland and boring I guess
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:35 AM   #67
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

I think most people don't care about their computing platform, so long as they can surf the next, type up a few letters and sync to their iPod... Blandness and/or boredom aren't an issue,,

All of the non-techie/dweebies I know think of their PCs as nothing more than a tool - in the same way as their DVD player, fridge and microwave... They aren't interested in the OS, the hardware or anything, as long as it works when they turn it on...

It's only really people who are interested in the underlying technology who's interest will be piqued by the X1000...

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Old 01-07-2010, 01:38 AM   #68
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It's only really people who are interested in the underlying technology who's interest will be piqued by the X1000...
Now if they would tell what that technology is... can't say I care much this silly game they're playing.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:04 AM   #69
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Of course they will. I'm sure Jens Schoenfeld is salivating at this very moment.
Why putting those things on Xorro when a usb or pci will do, too. And usb and pci is ubiquoteous, i.e. the potential target groups contains millions of customers while a Xorro borad will target a few hundered...
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

Hopefully they have a niche to aim this new computer at, or are planning to revolutionise general computing. Otherwise, I think they're just trying to cater for a dwindling fanbase.
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

The appear to have a niche they're going for, hobbyists who want something different, as far as I can see...
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I think most people don't care about their computing platform, so long as they can surf the next, type up a few letters and sync to their iPod... Blandness and/or boredom aren't an issue,,

All of the non-techie/dweebies I know think of their PCs as nothing more than a tool - in the same way as their DVD player, fridge and microwave... They aren't interested in the OS, the hardware or anything, as long as it works when they turn it on...

It's only really people who are interested in the underlying technology who's interest will be piqued by the X1000...

Mike.
I'm very much a techie, and I consider a Windows PC to be just a tool :-) I need it every day for some stuff, but would gladly do without it. Amiga OTOH I actually enjoy using so that's the difference for me...
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:51 AM   #73
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

It's clear that Hyperion are in the hardware business now. I wish them well. It will be interesting to see if they allow manufacturers to make Amiga OS4 lones.

I salivate at the prospect of a Chinese Amiga. We all know that the Chinese manufacturers value the lowest cost and despite some high profile bludners... they do value quality.

In the 90's there were attempts at Amiga clones, hope this comes to pass after Hyperion have made a return on their investment.
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Old 01-07-2010, 08:50 AM   #75
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

"I am trying... -really, really hard- not to say anything negative... I really am "

Not me. Rumours don't build excitement, I could care less about this vaporware. Frankly they thought of it one night, and posted a story about it the next. This is still in the pipe dream phase of the project.

Now, I admit over the years, these companies from time to time do release a software update - unfortunately the direction they went with OS 4 was a tragic mistake. Still a horrible OS after all this time, and always will be, they punted on the opportunity to correct its shortcomings.

But as they do sometimes release an OS, and sometimes a hardware partner does surface for a few months to sell a few hundred boards... maybe we will see something, but until that day....BORING.
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i must say at the beginning i thought this new design might be something what most amigans wanted, but now i hesitate again. i just dont see what an average user could get out of that.
I don't think the average user WILL get anything extra out of the design that they can't get out of a SAM already. But then, the X1000 isn't really intended for the average user.

Those who can't see what's special about the new design - well - you simply need to exercise your imagination a bit (or alot more) more. I really hate the phrase but you really need to think outside the box on this one. Programmers had to change their techniques to really make the most of the Amiga's custom chipset (remember the bog stndard Atari to Amiga p[orts in the early days) - it's going to be the same here. Those asking for more info from A-EON about what the design can do - as already hinted by the designers, don't ask them, ask yourself.

You'll find out what it can do when the hardware is in the hands of us coders.

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Why putting those things on Xorro when a usb or pci will do, too.
Do you want a "meh, it'll do" solution or a "Jesus - that's perfect" solution?

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Exactly... It'll no doubt be a boost for the enthusiasts who like this sort of system, but for the rest of the computing world it'll (unfortunately) be just as relevant as the AmigaOne, Sam, Efika or Minimig...
And that's the way I like it personally. I don't want the guy who's sat next to me at work to have this, the same way as I don't want my nextdoor neighbour to have the same Westfield that I drive.

Remember - you don't have to sell a million units for a company to be successful and profitable.

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Old 01-07-2010, 09:43 AM   #77
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

This just might be the final nail in the Hyperion coffin. They really botched the PR on this X1000 product. A week of baiting hype followed up by focusing on this XMOS chip. A lot of folks are jazzed about this little embedded processor and coming up with some really bizarre ideas about what it will be capable of. Some lame (nothing wrong with that), others impractical, some impossible. The expectations are high and this thing ain't gonna deliver. Well, not unless hyperion writes all the code themselves, which they won't.

For every 20 people who come up with fantastical crazy ideas about stuff the XMOS chip isn't suited for, perhaps 1 person will code a demo to render a fractal or something on it? Maybe blink some LEDs?

What Hyperion needed to do was have a motherboard ready for sale day one of their website launch. Something reasonably fast to run AOS4 and demonstrate that they're alive and committed to their OS. Instead we got 5 days of more hype, nothing to buy, and rabid amigans fantasizing about weird little embedded chips.

If I wanted to play with the XMOS chip, I wound't buy an Amiga to do that, I'd buy the $99 dev kit and plug it into a windows machine where I could actually use the development tools.
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

One thing i noticed missing from the X1000 motherboard is wireless support. Where's wifi?
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

That website sure doen't help the cause... that desgin repels customers. Again this is a niche market at best. At least someone is finally doing SOMETHING...
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Default Re: Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

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One thing i noticed missing from the X1000 motherboard is wireless support. Where's wifi?
Hopefully most wireless PCI cards will be supported for this purpose.
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