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Old 05-09-2003, 11:36 AM   #21
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-D :-D :-D :-D
68k? :-?

But still! great news!
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:21 PM   #22
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The name of the site of webb.it is PADOVA not Padua.... :-( ....

Anyway this is a great news because the Webb.it it's a very important show of information tecnology in Italy...

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Old 05-09-2003, 12:29 PM   #23
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

wow comment 27 was in response to my comment 26, but I never read it.

I miss so much when I'm not reading every post religiously...sigh

anyway, great to hear that it is booting workbench, its all but done now.

yes, of course they cannot release it until its as stable as 3.9...I mean gosh, thats not exactly a big goal there, in terms of stability.

Now...this is not to say that I personally have become happy with all the delay, but nevertheless, I am happy that it appears the delaying will be over somewhere in the not too incredibly long future.

Sigh, hmmmm too bad they can't announce what they'll show at amiWest, bound to boost attendance, if they could announce in advance...I know, I know, it have to be ready now....such ashame.
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Old 05-09-2003, 03:29 PM   #24
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

@ MarkTime

Is OS3.9 not stable then?

No idea, still running 3.1 on my A1200...
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Old 05-09-2003, 06:20 PM   #25
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

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AmigaOS4 for 68k?
I think all they are saying is they had OS4 running on an 68k machine. Ie, the Amiga4000 is the 68k machine.

We all know there are no 68k binaries so the poster obviously a bit wrong. Well, he wasnt, but his wording was.
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Old 05-09-2003, 06:51 PM   #26
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I think all they are saying is they had OS4 running on an 68k machine. Ie, the Amiga4000 is the 68k machine.
Well since Hyperion have confirmed it, I guess it's ok to also say that it not only boots Workbench on PPC equiped Classics, but is also launching 68k apps. They are now working on moving those 68k modules to PPC native.
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:42 PM   #27
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

But what are these modules? Are these small utilities, commodities, or libraries?
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Old 05-10-2003, 01:39 AM   #28
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

If these modules are tested in 68k and then moved to PPC once they are done then are these modules running under OS3.9?

Or, is all of OS4 in 68k first and then moved to PPC?

If the modules do run under OS3.9/ OS4 in 68k then can they be released as an OS3.9x/OS4 upgrade for classic users?

I agreed with this same suggestion months ago but people dismissed the notion that OS4 modules ever saw a 68k CPU.

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Old 05-10-2003, 04:35 AM   #29
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But you can only make a first impression once.
I hope they remember this when they design the default 'look'.
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Old 05-10-2003, 04:38 AM   #30
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More info please, 68k?
I've already written this to AW and ANN, but:

We've said in the past there is only one chance to make a first impression. We decided that we still want to invest a bit of work in the current version before we show this in public.

This doesn't invalidate earlier statements. OS 4 can boot to workbench, you can run programs from workbench, you can connect to the internet, even some old demos work.

However there are still some compatibility issues that we want to take care of before a public demonstration.

More news will be coming in the next few days.
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Old 05-10-2003, 05:08 AM   #31
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OS3.9 68k with OS4 modules and prefs.
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Old 05-10-2003, 05:24 AM   #32
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@Rogue

Great news! Looks like interesting days lie ahead, especially considering I will be ordering an A1 soon!
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Old 05-10-2003, 05:44 AM   #33
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

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showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)
A *bit* misleading title. People believes it is AmigaOS4 compiled to 68k and working under emulation over ExecSG PPC, on AmigaOne.

Reality: Hyperion has this very same thing but working on a PPC accelerated A4000. This is quite
good news (still needs work though). AmigaOne version still long way off (-months-).

Reality2: This "AmigaOS4 beta (68k)" at Webb.it is the same old demo from Show/party held last year
in Scandinavia. It's OS39 demoing some 68k compiled OS4 libraries and programs.

The point is that there is very little concern in
pursuing clarity from who, it seems to me, is
over-excited about Amiga "official" path.

Better to concentrate on what has been achieved
so far than to anticipate things that, actually have
not happened (yet). Hyperion is learning the lesson
(respect to those who rectify).

Overhypers should think more what they write.
PLEASE.
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Old 05-10-2003, 06:25 AM   #34
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xisp, what make you so knowledgeable?
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Old 05-10-2003, 06:55 AM   #35
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

Clearly between those shows a lot of progress has been made on the OS 4 modules that were shown in Italy.

These may well be the same modules but certainly not the same development status or functionality.
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Old 05-10-2003, 08:20 AM   #36
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same modules but certainly not the same development status
Ow. My mistake. Didn't check my facts.
@Bodie.
I only was summarizing what others have said,
I try to apply common sense to verify their
level of truth. (It is hard!) My intention is not to be
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Old 05-10-2003, 09:53 AM   #37
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@xisp

Sorry, I misread you post :-) .

Cheers


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Old 05-10-2003, 09:53 AM   #38
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Old 05-10-2003, 04:33 PM   #39
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Default Re: Webb.it: showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)

That's the oldest trick in the book of journalism ... use a slightly misleading headline to catch the reader's eye, then tell the real story in the article ...

There were actually two machines, "an Amiga One XE G3 800Mhz with Debian Linux PPC and an Amiga 4000 with Os 4.0 beta".

Anyways ... this is still good news after all ... :-D

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Old 05-10-2003, 04:34 PM   #40
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@HyperionMP and Rogue

Thanks for your down to earth replies ... :-D :-D

I am sure Amiga OS 4 will be a fine product when it is released.

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