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[teo]

@bbrv

Why not two sites, two user groups, etc.

I guess you mean AmigaOS and MorphOS, so are you implying that there is a one site for each user group? therefore saying that the morphos users are going to use your site and leave amiga.org? or would you rather m-os users stay here as well and will you allow AmigaOS supporters to post AmigaOS articles at your site? Im sure you can see what im getting at...

If you read thru my recent posts you will find one that refers to the user groups separating, so i think that opening this site is a fantastic idea, assuming that it will be "the place to be" for m-os users, and amiga.org will be "the place to be" for ao-s users. What do you think bbrv? seems fair enought to me!

[Ryu]

hehe teotwin, I like your argument :-)

[System]

That is very wonderful news.

Now maybe I can get some freakin' peace.
Sure gonna hate to see all of you go.

[Targhan]

@teotwin

Teotwin raises an eyebrow...

Am I not allowed to work on multiple sites now? I guess my in progress REBOL site must go away, huh? Should I scrap my plans for a LinuxPPC site that would help all of our A1 friends out? Oh no, heaven forbid someone speak of the evil penguin on *this* site!

Oh yeah, I run Amithlon, and have an Elbox Mediator in my A1200. I guess that isn't good enough to be an Amigan anymore? How about my $50 donation to the "missing t-shirt club" fund, was that enough?

I occationally write for Bill Griffon's "The New Amigans," does that make me the enemy? I'm not the greatest programmer that ever lived, but I think I've written some helpful little ARexx programs and installer scripts. Does this fact make me an enemy of the Boing-Ball-State? When I tried to "publish" the UGN-Times newsletter (with very little help on the authorship side), was I already selling out?

Am I really the enemy, or is it just your point of view?

[bbrv]

Both means both...:-D

Check MorphZone for info later today...;-)

R&B :-)

[teo]

Oh you want to twist it that way do you, fine, how about this...

Now, i can pussy foot around the issue if you like, or i can say straight out "amiga OS and morph OS are competing *commercial* products", and i see you are involved in promoting morph os news on amiga.org & the morph site, Im damn sure that ill see very limited AmigaOS news to appear on the morph site ...unless its a convenient (knee-jerk)response to this message bbrv... and i doubt that it will be a common occurance in the long term either.

Its got nothing to do with the number of sites you work on, its the fact that they are COMPETING COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS. And if i was concerned enought and thought it was a conflict of interest and that you have covert intentions I WOULD HAVE SAID IT, but as i dont, i simply raised an eyebrow.

You can work on all the sites you want, did i say you couldnt, i didnt think so. in regards to the sites looking similar, did you hear me say that was a bad thing, did i phase it as an insult, did i say you shouldnt do it? i didnt think so, all i said is that its because you are responsible for a.org as well which explains the similar look, and if you want to be a tosser and bring the "amigan" word into it then so be it. But answer me this, in which sentance of my last post did i mention you ware not an amigan? or even imply it? Sounds like someone put up the defensive walls a little too early to me...

What is it that scares you so much when people mention that the two groups (a-os/m-os) should seperate? I still maintain it would be the best move for both parties... Im not here nor there on m-os, i dont support or deter it becuase it has nothing to do with me and i know nothing about it, but if the flame wars that continuously spring up over trivial details dont indicate to you that theres something wrong with the mixing of the fanatics then you need to open your eyes a little more...

[ghauber]

AmigaInc's AmigaDE, which contractually prevents those developers from working on AmigaOS stuff without express permission from Amiga Inc. (To the best of my knowledge that is).

Well, unless they changed the SDA contract since I signed it, your knowledge is wrong. There is nothing in the SDA which stops me from developing for *any* other platform, including AmigaOS. Amiga can't stop me - if there *had* been such a condition in the SDA, I wouldn't have signed it. The SDA I signed (and it's standard afaik) only covers work I do for the AmigaDE, and that's it.

[Targhan]

Sound like someone put up the defensive walls a little too early to me.

Yeah, I guess I did. Was arguing with someone else, so I suppose it carried over. I apologize.

About Amiga/MOS being seperate, some of it should be--and some of it not. I suppose it really boils down to the topic at hand. There are some MorphOS news item that would just bore an anti-MOS person to tears, and vice versa. Yet, there are enough family ties that complete seperation probably isn't possible.

[KennyR]

Yeah Spidey, it seems there are some (if not many) who want the two factions to become completely estranged and just ignore and hate each other from a comfortable distance.

I'm still not sure why anyone would want this, except maybe through jealously or hate (no offence to teotwin, but I don't understand his motivation - I politely invite him to explain it to me if he likes). I mean, the Amiga userbase is in the low thousands at an optimistic guess, and many of those probably use emulators anyway and are not interested in OS4 or MOS.

MorphOS will have an absolute maximum of 700 users until September at least, OS4 has zero users right now and probably can't expect much more than MOS when it eventually does get any. Neither side can survive on their own, despite what their companies may say. There's no chance of it. I believe the number of sales of MOS Knights and Merchants or OS4 Sin will quickly teach us all this.

I just think having exclusive websites for either AmigaOS or MorphOS is just exclusionist and elitist and will result in the slow strangling of both sides, not to mention even more prejudice and ignorance in the future. Maybe later, if the factions grow into decent numbers would a split be justified; but I think thats a long way off right now.

A religious person might be able to tell you about the parable of Solomon and the baby...

[Targhan]

Just for your information guys, I'll bust chops on the Pegasos suppliers as quickly as I would AmigaOS suppliers.. Mai's Big-Deal Hrm.. doesn't Mai do the northbridge for the Teron too? Maybe I should post another copy here...?

@earlier-stuff
Hrm.. I may have been mistaken about the DE license. (It's not as if even the license coming with Borland isn't scary to look at either... What's with companies and these over-legalized nightmares to read?) :-?

[ikir]

Nice website :-)

[Spidey]

Hello KennyR,

Thank you for explaining :-)

I agree with trying tot split while the userbase isn't big, isn't a good thing.
Personaly I don´t think that the purpose of this new site is to divide right now, but to give extra information to the MorphOS users. But again, that's what I'm thinking of this. :-)

Spidey

[bbrv]

Hi, again great job Targhan. We will work on the G4 Announcement Part II as soon as we get this posted. It will appear on the MorphZone later today. :-D

@teotwin -- Please come see us in Sydney when we are there for CeBIT in May. We will buy you a Fosters and we can discuss anything you want. Fortunately, we will have the time between now and then (and the things that have or not happened) to consider. How about we call it a truce until then? ;-)

@KennyR -- We appreciate your post and Biblical reference -- good story, great message (anyone interested that would be 1 Kings 3). :-)

@Mountain_Myst -- You would have more peace if you just thought about what you had to say before you posted. :-o

Have a great day!

R&B :-)

[amigamad]

Not a bad site but nothing fantastic. :-D

[Coder]

@bbrv

Please come see us in Sydney when we are there for CeBIT in May.

Do you have planned any more shows in the region there? Singapore maybe?

Coder