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[jedi]

@MikeB:

Just a question : finally, what will you buy ? a great product ? or a "man/spokesman" ?

Be more adult.

For the moment, when I read you, and others, I see only a man who contributes to destroy the Pegasos/MorphOS products with personal (and not very intelligent) attacks directly against some persons, Bill Buck the first. You are the first to say that there are great people in the Genesi's Teams, but you can not understand (or is it your choice to do that ?...) that for many people your repetitives attacks against Bill Buck also insult all the teams and products. (It's easy to understand, and to see, that many people can not see the difference... just read the forums...).

So, if you have personal problems with Bill Buck, continue your personal attacks directly with him in private, but please stop that in public by insulting all the other teams & products. Thanks.

[Orgin]

@Jedi

Just by changing a few company and product names in that message you just wrote to MikeB and would suddenly make it describe yourself.

Your hands are not clean in this mess either, surely you must see that.

/Björn

[HyperionMP]

>in reality, it's very strange : by reading the AmigaOS4 >Team (beginners in high technology) we can think >that is very easy to develop (or adapt) an Operating >System, for example an OS4 just at the beginning.

Yeah, the OS 4 team are beginners in high technology.

Go tell that to people like Olaf Barthel, Thomas Richter, Jörg Strohmayer etc.

You're buying straight into Ralph's ridiculous claim that those stupid games programmers are better left doing games while the real men should do hard things like writing a kernel.

Guess what? We did do the A1 firmware, we did do a kernel and if you check the list of OS 4 developers, you'll notice that OS development expertise is clearly on our side.

We have more developers and more experienced developers.

>And by reading the MorphOS Team (professionals in >high technology for many years)

Please! You're not claiming that PowerUp is high technology?

Or even the Quark kernel?

I certainly don't claim that Exec SG is " high technology".

Not a single feature of the Quark kernel is high technology and the same goes for Exec SG.

You're clearly just an ordinary user, not a developer.

>we can see that is not so easy to develop an >Operating System, for example an MOS v1.0 ready to >be used & sold now.

You know what?

I really can't wait for it to be sold and reviewed.

It's time to finally hold this product against the light because there isn't even a simple feature-list anywhere.

It's sooo much better than OS 4.0 but we won't tell you why.

Just go and buy it.

[whabang]

@ Fot & Orgin
LOL! :-D

[Orgin]

@Fot

Ahh, sorry, missed your answer.

I didn't refer to That mob, but the Amiga community mob

/Björn

[System]

@ Jedi

Just a question : finally, what will you buy ? a great product ?

Personally as an AmigaOS fan I will buy a good product which runs AmigaOS4. My preference goes towards an AmigaOne-XE board, but if someday there would be a fully AmigaOS4 licensed version of the Pegasos board, I may buy this as well for comparison articles. The chance of actually seeing this happening is IMO very slim, especially considering all recent events.

Personally, at this point of time, I will surely not purchase a dedicated box solely for a MorphOS/ABOX solution, I would greatly prefer Amithlon instead. That is my personal opinion.

For the moment, when I read you, and others, I see only a man who contributes to destroy the Pegasos/MorphOS products with personal (and not very intelligent) attacks directly against some persons,

When I read your comments I see a person who actually belongs on morphos-news.de instead, as you can't possibly expect any of us to accept Bill Buck's crap without stating our criticism.

You are the first to say that there are great people in the Genesi's Teams

Yes there are, but that doesn't mean that I won't criticize their management.

that for many people your repetitives attacks against Bill Buck also insult all the teams and products.

And haven't you read any of the comments produced by many of bPlan/MorphOS team members against Amiga Inc related efforts? Believe me, there are thousands of such crap postings to be found all over the internet.

So, if you have personal problems with Bill Buck, continue your personal attacks directly with him in private

If he keeps his FUD/misinformation about 3rd parties internally, I will keep further criticism privately. But Bill Buck has recently demonstrated himself to be far more childish than that, actually he is the one spreading FUD/misinformation about me personally to all key webmasters/employees and even dealers.

So who is being childish here?

[anarchic_teapot]

@jedi

Alan said : "Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital."

Sorry if I don't believe a man who doesn't know exactly what is a "SARL" company.

Of course he knows what a private limited company is: Eyetech happens to be one.

Now a one-man company, or EURL, looks like this (link in French). OK, so the share capital was wrong, by €500. Big deal.

As for thinking the name 'Amiga' - remembered fondly by millions - isn't a selling point, perhaps you should read up on your psychology. The VW Beetle and Austin Mini Cooper had also been "dead" for many years... So were flared trousers, and don't we all wish they'd stayed that way.

[anarchic_teapot]

@MikeB

Yes there are, but that doesn't mean that I won't criticize their management.

Hmm, that reminds me of something <frantic scrabbling> I know I've got the link here somewhere <google>
Ah, yes: something quite a few people seem to have forgotten, yet it was only 6 years ago.

[Orgin]

@anarchic_teapot

Hmm, trying to understand what you said. So for clarification can you explain a bit deeper?

It looks like you are saying that a "SARL" is a Private Limited Company (with eyetech being such a company). And that your link links to an EURL company, but the page the link goes to says "Thendic France SARL". With the "Forme juridique" being "SARL unipersonnelle".

You got me confused Could you explain?

/Björn

[System]

@ anarchic_teapot

Ah, yes: something quite a few people seem to have forgotten, yet it was only 6 years ago.

Yes it certainly seems as if Bill Buck has learned almost nothing from his VisCorp fiasco days, as CEO at the time. I feel sad for Carl Sassenrath and all other people who had to deal with his nonesense.

[anarchic_teapot]

@Bjorn

Your conclusions are spot on. Thendic is in fact an EURL, either that or they haven't been filing their declarations on time (not that this would be anything new, if you use the same site to look up the various companies rejoicing in the name of Pretory in France). A EURL is a French private limited company with a single shareholder, ie a one-man company.

[jedi]

@Hermans:

Just a question : why don't you come personally to Aachen ?
To deliever something concrete before the end of 2002 as announced (i.e. OS4 on Amiga Classic PPC), and final OS4 on AmigaOne in March 2003, you should have great things to shown to everyone NOW, no ?...
As "OS4 Project Leader", do you know that the * minimal * betatest of the full OS4 on AOne will take you more than 3 little months ?... please, don't answer me that the tests of AmigaOne have started for 4 months or that the tests of AmigaOS4 have started for 1 year. I speach you about the time to test the complete OS4 on the final AmigaOne. I hope you don't believe that it will be fast and easy. It would be very unprofessional and irresponsible of your part.

[System]

@ Jedi

do you know that the * minimal * betatest of the full OS4 on AOne will take you more than 3 little months?

AmigaOS4 is made up of different components. Many of these components are finished and have been undergoing beta-testing for a very long time now.

It's quite simple, image huge applications like Mozilla or OpenOffice.org available for the x86 Linux platform, does a port to PPC Linux take the same amount of beta-testing time as the orginal x86 version? No? Now you answer the question, why not?

[jedi]

@Rose & Mike:

Your story is not complete...
(personally, when somebody is accused, I always listen first his personal explication. There are perhaps lawyers here, but also a lot of judges...).

"amiga-news.de: In comments on ANN both of you gave some facts and details. Petro stated that Bill and Raquel fought very hard for VisCorp (his employer those times) to buy AMIGA in the times of Escom bankruptcy. Petro said he believes bPlan are capable of managing the future. Bill stated that Thendic-France contracted bPlan to do some development work. Specifically, to develop the eclipsis. Bill, you said also your company worked very closely with Petro in 1995 and 1996. What did that mean exactly?

Thendic France: We did. Raquel and I paid the salaries and social/tax of the Amiga Inc. personnel from June 1996 through November 1996 ourselves, personally (so we had some "bucks" too...). It was the arrangement we made with Mr. Hembach, the Escom Bankruptcy Trustee, for the benefit of VisCorp and was the only way to keep Amiga alive. Our VisCorp Board agreed initially, but they did not support the effort as the details of the Escom bankruptcy became more public. It became very complicated and ultimately VisCorp cared more about its short term share price and completely abandoned the entire set-top box strategy. We were never reimbursed these funds, although we did win a legal settlement against VisCorp later (the legal issues at the time prevented us from coming public with the details). Petro worked with us and we worked hard together to sell the Amiga inventory (which reduced the transaction cost, but could not be used to pay personnel costs). In the end the VisCorp board decided not to complete the transaction and we resigned. Petro went on to Gateway; VisCorp died eventually.

We are sure that Petro will admit that without our money at the time both he personally, and Amiga itself as a complete package (the intellectual property and the significant inventory of A1200s and components), would have had a very hard time surviving. Mr. Hembach, the bankruptcy trustee, wanted to sell everything any way he could. He would have split the intellectual property into pieces and this would have made future success for Amiga impossible. Petro gets the credit for convincing Mr. Hembach to keep the package together. Helmut Jost also deserves some credit too as he was the last CEO of Escom and was retained by Mr. Hembach to assist him, while Petro kept the sales channels open and "Amiga" alive. Perhaps, it is finally time for that information to be better known. "

[jedi]

@Mike:

"AmigaOS4 is made up of different components. Many of these components are finished and have been undergoing beta-testing for a very long time now."

I'm very happy that you have replied this answer, exactly what I have waited

That's the classic arguments of Hermans & Redhouse.

And I say that the professionalism and serious of some people in the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 stop here, with this bad argument.

Which (true) specialist can say that everything will well run, without problems, immediately, easy and fast, because "many of these components are finished and have been undergoing beta-testing for a very long time now" ? incredible thing.

"many" is not "all".
"components" are not the "complete system".
"beta-testing" on what ? if the answer is on Amiga Classic, please come back when you will have fully tested it on AmigaOne...

These arguments are absolutely not the reasons to run directly without problems on AmigaOne, with the complete system. My personal knowledges & experience in computing tell me that (no minor) problems will appear when the AmigaOS4 Team will start to test the * complete * OS4 system on AmigaOne(s) computer(s). Also, I think that is very pretentious to consider so easy/simple an operating system of a computer (that's very not a game).