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Old 11-16-2002, 03:38 PM   #1
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Default MorphOS document released

(cross-posted from ann.lu)

Posted on 15-Nov-2002 17:32 GMT by nicholas Blachford

Thendic-France have just posted a new document about MorphOS. If you've ever wanted to know how to tell your A-Box from your Q-Box or where MorphOS came from (or is going) read on...
The doc can be found here:

MorphOS document (HTML)

MorphOS Document (PDF)

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Old 11-16-2002, 06:32 PM   #2
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

@Thendic-France

A well written document which helps me put Morphos in "perspective". :-)

I am "Open Minded" in regards to OSes and will look to purchase a copy of Morphos (assuming a "shrink wrap" version become available) to run on My AmigaOne.

OS4 is not released yet and although i can use Linux I do not like it as an OS. So there is an excellent chance that Morphos will be my primary OS for the A-One.

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P.S. My don't let my Avatar fool you, I am not a Zelot for any flavour of OS (I just thought the graphic looked cool). Is the butterfly protected by Copyright or can I "borrow" it for my Avatar ??? ;-)
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Old 11-16-2002, 11:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Um, dude...
The Boing Ball is copyrighted and trademarked. The name Amiga is trademarked. As, I would assume is Amiga OS 4.0, as a name that is.
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Old 11-16-2002, 11:32 PM   #4
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

@Agro

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The Boing Ball is copyrighted and trademarked. The name Amiga is trademarked. As, I would assume is Amiga OS 4.0, as a name that is.
Completely correct and I have to confess that I did not get explicit Approval from Amiga to use them.

However I was in correspondance with the "Author" of the Artwork and gained tassit approval (He promised not to sue ;-) )

I just think th butterfly looks good aestheticaly.

I hope I did not offend anyone and appologise if I have.

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Old 11-16-2002, 11:36 PM   #5
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Well, If you were trying to offend. You'll have to try harder than that and after that last guy, it going to be hard to top that.
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Old 11-17-2002, 04:47 AM   #6
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

The only thing i don't like about MOS is the fact that ultiamtly it isn't going to be an Amiga. It is a "Q-Box". (If i have read it correctly)

Sure it has a JIT emulator to run 3.1 programs, but in terms of new programs they will be running on this Q-Box.

That is how I read it anyway, I will be truthful in saying I don't completely understand the meaning of it all.
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Old 11-17-2002, 09:23 AM   #7
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Will PPC programs written for AmigaOS4 run on MorphOS? I don't know about that; probably not, I guess. But it remains to be seen which platform is supported better. Amiga, Inc. has the brand name going for it. But MorphOS seems to have quite a bit of third-party support lined up as well. It'll be interesting to see how the applications come for each.
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ultiamtly it isn't going to be an Amiga.
This only matters to (some) current Amiga fans, and there aren't enough of them to support any new computing platform. The only way either AmigaOS or MorphOS can survive longer-term is to win over new users and new developers one way or another. How well that goes depends on the details of the operating systems themselves, and on how well the companies attract and support third-party developers. Time will tell.

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Old 11-17-2002, 01:10 PM   #8
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Yes, but where is the X-box? :-P
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Old 11-17-2002, 02:27 PM   #9
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Firstly lets look at the spelling:

M O S

A O S

Similarities:
They are both Operating Systems ( O S are both positioned the same)

Differences:

A & M are 13 characters apart, and mean completely different words.

A - Amiga
M - Morph



Now for the binary examination:

OS4.0 binary is incompatible to MOS x.x binary
OS3.1 binary is *emulated* 100% on MOS
OS3.1 binary is part emulated, part native on AOS4

Elaboration on 3.1 usage - 3.1 software runs faster on AOS4 than MOS x.x and migrates easier thanks to the fact that you can combine the two code bases.

Statement: MOS is NOT AOS. Because an OS can emulate another OS does not mean it deserves respect. Otherwise you would see amigans licking posters of Billy the Goat. AOS runs the full roadmap more directly than MOS ever will.

The most l33t of programmers are going the AOS way.

And here in NZ, we are setting up financial endorsements for programmers to go AOS.

Thank you for your time.
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Old 11-17-2002, 04:07 PM   #10
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

MorphOS is NOT Amiga OS and it NEVER will be!

MorphOS is no different from many OS's like Windows/BeOS/Linux and others that can run Amiga apps via an emulator.

MorphOS will survive or fail on its own merriots and not because it can run old Amiga apps.

AmigaOS will survive/fail on its own merriots as well.

This is not a contest people!

There is ONLY ONE AMIGA OS: AmigaOS period!

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Old 11-17-2002, 05:05 PM   #11
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Quote:
Firstly lets look at the spelling:

M O S

A O S

Similarities:
They are both Operating Systems ( O S are both positioned the same)

Differences:

A & M are 13 characters apart, and mean completely different words.

A - Amiga
M - Morph



Now for the binary examination:

OS4.0 binary is incompatible to MOS x.x binary
OS3.1 binary is *emulated* 100% on MOS
OS3.1 binary is part emulated, part native on AOS4

Elaboration on 3.1 usage - 3.1 software runs faster on AOS4 than MOS x.x and migrates easier thanks to the fact that you can combine the two code bases.

Statement: MOS is NOT AOS. Because an OS can emulate another OS does not mean it deserves respect. Otherwise you would see amigans licking posters of Billy the Goat. AOS runs the full roadmap more directly than MOS ever will.

The most l33t of programmers are going the AOS way.

And here in NZ, we are setting up financial endorsements for programmers to go AOS.

Thank you for your time.
Sometimes its hard to tell if someone is joking
or is serious.. I do find it a bit funny, so okey,
Ill start laugh now. :-P :-P :-P
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Old 11-17-2002, 08:48 PM   #12
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Some of it was jokish and the rest fact.
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Old 11-17-2002, 10:05 PM   #13
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Quote:
OS3.1 binary is part emulated, part native on AOS4
What would you call this part ?
;-)
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Old 11-18-2002, 03:12 AM   #14
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

@Amiga/Morphos:
Amiga has it going for it that its still AmigaOS (new ported version).

@Morphos document:
"wrapper for the Warp3D API is in development, OpenGL compatibility is also in the pipeline."
"At time of writing the Quark kernel exists but is incomplete. The rest of Q is still only at the planning stage"
"Almost all the information here about the Q-Box is in the future"

Right now it seems it is a limited AmigaOS 3.1 emulation with few enhancements.
And did I understand it correctly that Morphos is simply a name for the collection of a quark kernel and a bunch (currently one half) of emulation boxes?
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Old 11-18-2002, 04:17 AM   #15
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

Yawn MorphOS Yawn Pegasozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :roll:
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Default Re: MorphOS document - A good read

As some have said, I do not either see it as a competition.

In fact the best thing for me would be for both A1/AOS and Pegasos/MOS to succeed.
AOS as the amiga operating system and MOS as a new operating system aimed at a different market than AOS, with the ability (considering the similar hardware) to easily recompile programs from AOS to MOS and the other way around.

I enjoy AOS3.1 which I use currently, and I am 99% sure I will stick with AOS, though MOS sounds appealing in a way and I will have to at least try it. Just like I have both windows and linux on my pc laptop.

If they would both succeed they would make me a happy dude - much, much happier, than if one succeeds because of the others failure. Or the other way around.

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.
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@createcoms

You got that wrong:

The A/BOX is 100%-PPC-native, while AOS4 will still include some 68k.

MOS does NOT emulate AOS !! It is NOT Amithlon !
It has an AOS-compatible API and a 68k-emu.

Lots of free/shareware-authors have allready made MOS-ports
of their SW. Can't really be said about AOS4 ;-)

MorphOS deserves respect because these people tried to give
the Amiga (the real one, not just some Amiga-labeled tech) a future
when the holders of the name said NO !! (GateWay/AInc).

These people do desevere respect because they DID bring a working
"AmigaOS-PPC", and sofar they are the only ones.
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Old 11-18-2002, 10:51 AM   #18
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Firstly, the ABOX is an amiga emulation layer. Because MOS is not AOS, the only way it can run 3.1 stuff is via this ABOX layer. Secondly, AOS is 100% PPC - you obviously haven't been paying much attention to the progress reports.

MOS DOES emulate AOS, it IS NOT like AROS and so there is no API compatibility - I wish you wouldn't post such blatant BS. MOS is MOS, not AOS - if the API was the same this wouldnt be so.

Like I said, l33t programmers are going OS4 way - not your dead end virus makers.

And this little story you have about trying to give a future is even more BS.


And no, I have OS4 sitting here so dont say the MOS is the only PPC OS.
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Wow what an idiot ......

No clues but a very loud mouth....

AOS4 will NOT be 100% PPC, and that is according to Ben himself.

The core parts will be, but some of the other parts will be 68k.

You don't know the differnce between an emualtor and a binary-
compatible API-reimplemtation.

How do you think an MOS-native AWEB-port was possible so fast ?

Yeap that was because it has 100% PPC reimplementaion of the
Amiga-API.

You should also know that AROS and MorphOS do share quite a
lot off modules (on source code level) .

So tell me if you really got a working copy of AOS4, why is it
than that Ben could only demonstrate an higly patched/updated
AOS3.x (on 68k) and an text-mode only kernel ?
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So now you're using figure names to solidify the BS?

Get Ben to email me - and tell me OS4 wont be 100% PPC then I'll accept it. Until then I'll just look at what is in front of me which is an AmigaOS version recoded in pure C, ready for compilation. It is version 4.0.

I see this going to a debate over what is the OS and what is not as you admit the core parts will be PPC.

You noddy - the OS is THE core part.

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You don't know the difference between an emulator and a binary-compatible API-reimplementation
Lets see:

Emulation of Processor =
Emulation of API =

MOS is not AOS kernel but Quark. Therefore the API is different. This dictates naturally then the AOS 3.1 ability is an API emulation. 3.1 binary happens to be 68k which also naturally dictates that it emulates the processor. At either point it is emulation. There is no API reimplementation, MOS does nothing the same as AOS beyond this implementation. There is no crossing of the paths as you would suggest.

And yes I do know MOS used AROS modules, but as you say on source code level, so it is modified for the relevant API. You are creating a hole for yourself by giving me the text to target.
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So tell me if you really got a working copy of AOS4, why is it that then Ben could only demonstrate a highly patched/updated AOS3.x (on 68k) and a text-mode kernel ?
ATM the OS4.0 exists as a 68k modular distribution. It is not a patch, the way it works is that all the files are replaced that aren't in ROM, and the ROM is disected and renewed much like Blizkick. No patching, all replacing.

It is in C, and the recompilation takes no time at all. In the latter stages of low-level HAL implementation we shift to PowerPC.

The reason why the amigaONE was only shown with the text based ExecSG was written in the latest progress report - so why use that as a false example?
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