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[AndreasM]

Some time ago we make a german interview with Michael Garlich (Titan) on the Amiga Future Page.

http://www.amigafuture.de/englisch/e...rviewtitan.php

http://www.amigafuture.de

[Kronos]

Happy flaming

[Kay]

> Happy flaming

Nah, he is entitled to an opinion, even if I disagree with some points. I hope that Titan will return to the Amiga when OS4 is out, though, as they seem to have some good software in the pipeline.

Kay

[Orgin]

Well AInc/Hyperion hasn't been very good (to make a huge understatement) in marketing AOS4 to the developers in the community. Titan can hardly be blamed for that.

/Björn

[xisp]

A difficult job to market a non-existant product. Titan does the most reasonable thing: stick to MorphOS, then see what happens. But I still think something noticeable will come from Hyperion. At least we know that they are certainly working on it, something that cannot be said of AmigaInc.

[System]

I don't think it was a good idea of the interviewer to put the word "official" between quotation marks with regard to this board being an official AmigaOne, there simply is no doubt from nobody, about this board being an official AmigaOne or not.

And in a matter of a week they will see just how much of a still-birth the AmigaOne really is. :-D IMO it is really sad to see Amiga companies, who have been "friends" in the past, choose sides, and backstab eachother with uncalled for FUD.

[Seehund]

MikeB:

I don't think it was a good idea of the interviewer to put the word "official" between quotation marks with regard to this board being an official AmigaOne, there simply is no doubt from nobody, about this board being an official AmigaOne or not.

To me it didn't seem like there were any doubts expressed about anything by the use of quotation marks. Apparently they referred to something like "the official hardware", as there can't really be any "official" hardware since no company owns the market and the customers. The interviewers use of the expression "new Amiga computers", without quotationmarks, was a far worse idea.

And in a matter of a week they will see just how much of a still-birth the AmigaOne really is.

What, you're suggesting that the success/failure of Eyetech's distribution of Teron CX boards should be judged by the sales during the first day(s)?

[System]

Apparently they referred to something like "the official hardware"

I know what they meant, but if I let my sister read this she would interpret this differently. And of course this board is an official AmigaOne, and may use the brandname for which Amiga Inc paid millions of dollars. Brand names do matter and they are worth alot of money.

as there can't really be any "official" hardware since no company owns the market and the customers.

No, but companies do own brandnames. I don't think Microsoft would sell their company name even for billions of dollars.

What, you're suggesting that the success/failure of Eyetech's distribution of Teron CX boards should be judged by the sales during the first day(s)?

Better re-read, as that was not what I was saying.

[Kronos]

MO it is really sad to see Amiga companies, who have been "friends" in the past, choose sides, and backstab eachother with uncalled for FUD.

And somehow I'm not suprised that I never saw such a remark from
you when them Hyperion guys did the same over and over again ...

[System]

And somehow I'm not suprised that I never saw such a remark from

Be sure that I *will* criticize Hyperion if they would make unfair comments in a public interview with regard to the Pegasos . Like for instance calling the product to be a still-birth or similar.

[Seehund]

I know what they meant,

There you have it then. As for your sister or other infrequent readers of interviews on Amigafuture.de, maybe there ought to be a link in every article to an Amiga history FAQ for newcomers...
It's obviously a site and an interview aimed at people who have an at least rudimentary insight and interest in the current Amiga situation.

And of course this board is an official AmigaOne, and may use the brandname

Yes of course, and as I said I, like you, don't think that the writer was referring to any doubt about that at all with those quotation marks. That's just not how I think anyone of us regular Amiga-site visitors would read it, OK.

No, but companies do own brandnames. I don't think Microsoft would [I don't think you meant "wouldn't"?] sell their company name

Quite, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I said that AInc doesn't own the market they're targeting, just as little as MS owns the market they're targeting. AInc bought trademarks, they didn't buy customers. Thus the whole "official" thing.

Better re-read, as that was not what I was saying.

You said that within one week "they" will know how much of a still-birth the AmigaOne will be.

That suggests that either the Eyetech distribution of the TeronCX boards will start within a timeframe of less than one week, or that... well... someone has already ordered a few thousand boards to build AmigaOS4-powered set-top boxes or something...

Oh well, we'll wait.

BTW, you also said that you (presumably in this interview) saw an Amiga company "chosing sides" and "backstabbing eachother with uncalled-for FUD", whereas I saw a developer saying that since only one of the possibly interesting target OS alternatives is actually available, their products will at least initially only be available for that one target OS. Pretty self explanatory as far as I'm concerned. Let's just hope AmigaOS4 will be released soon and porting work can commence. (Wouldn't surprise me if a CS-PPC version was demoed running natively at WOASE. Would be a damn shame if not. By then we're in November 2002...)
When directly questioned on the subject he stated what he thought of the chances of the OS and hardware products in question. Apparently he doesn't agree with you and the Inc's marketing on those points, but that naturally doesn't make his opinion FUD or backstabbing. Heck, he even attacked the FUD marketing technique through his comments on how we have all seen it been used in the "MorphOS is illegal" campaign.

[System]

It's obviously a site and an interview aimed at people who have an at least rudimentary insight and interest in the current Amiga situation.

Yes, but that does not imply all such interested readers understand what is being suggested or implied and therefor I think this was badly formulated.

Quite, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I said that AInc doesn't own the market they're targeting

Official was used in the interview with regard to an officially Amiga branded and Amiga Inc licenced product.

"MorphOS is illegal" campaign.

People continuously forget that Ralph Schimdt and Bill Buck made these allegations public themselves. IMO this should have stayed behind closed doors at time, but apparently the MorphOS team thought this would help them in some way, so then that's their choice.

[Alkemyst]

"no company owns the market and the customers"

@seehound

you really do talk crap.

the windowsOS market is owned by MicroSoft.

the MacOS/Apple HW market is owned by Apple.

the AmigaOS/HW market is owned by Amiga.inc.

No One else can use the names of any of these for them selfs.

IF you owne the IP you own that market no matter how big or small that market is.



WindowsOS can not own the MacOS market,

MacOS can not own WindowsOS market.


but you can take market share away from another.

Apple/MacOS could take 25% marketshare from Microsoft but then it would be
turnning that 25% into Apple/MacOS market, NOT apple owning 25% of the windows market.

[Kronos]

You see Mike, that is your problem:
Ben and others have been throwing mud for years, but still you
claim that the allegations were dragged into the public by the
MorphOS-team ....

Funny world you are living in !

[Orgin]

One can still keep a dialog with developers. Show API changes and so on. Tell them what to do -now- if they want to support AOS4 tomorrow and so on. What API's not to use etc. How to prepare their source code for a different compiler and so on and so on. AInc/Hyperion seem to do nothing in this area. If they want to keep developers outside their own realm interrested they have to maintain a dialog.

/Björn