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[Seehund]

Stefan Burström posted some good news on the IBrowse ML:

Yes, the 2.3 release is not far off at all. The features are frozen and we are just fixing the last remaining bugs. The 2.3 upgrade will be a free upgrade. And the update will be releases at aminet. Should work perfectly on a standard OS3.0/3.1/3.5/3.9 Amiga.

[System]

That's good news. Let's home the javascript implementation will be complete enough, and that the stability issues will be sorted out. Then maybe my Amiga again will be useful for surfing. :-)

[Argo]

That would be something...

[JetFireDX]

Time to dig out the A1200 and my Ibrowse disks and give it a go.

[Ami-X]

I think that atleast a basic css-support is important.

I'm not so big fan of Javascript. I prefer PHP and as little of Javascript as possible, but I use CSS a lot. I think it is very usefull when creating sites with more than three pages and it also gives you more possibilities.

The lack of css-support is a big drawback for me when I do sites at home (two Amigas and no PC :-)). I do have LinuxPPC installed, but I'd rather use Amiga.

But then again this is just my opinion and everyone has their own. (ps. Voyager rocks ;-) )

How can you say you like PHP over Javascript? Their totaly different and you use them for totaly different purposes.

Java script is a client side scripting language, which means you embed it in your HTML and it plays with you. You interact with it, and it interacts with you and your browser objects like text boxes, colourrs etc...

PHP is a server side scripting language and the only thing that interacts with it is the HTTP server!!! It echos or prints HTML code or whatever to HTTP server and the HTTP server gives that code to you and then your browser parses that HTML.

They are totaly different languages used for totaly different things. You cant compare them! :}

[Ami-X]

Correct. They are two totally different things.

I mean't that I can do many things with PHP that I used to do with Javascript. And PHP is a great language indeed to master when creating websites (please don't look at my homepages. They are seriously out of date :-) )

I still use Javascript for things like opening smaller windows when clicking link and such. But I try to avoid it, because it can cause problems with older browsers.

But you are correct. These two can't be compared. Both can do tricks that other doesn't.

what is css and php? is css something about ssl?

anyway, what are the specific features for the
IBrowse 2.3 update? I find this very exciting.
It must be motivated by the recent developments
with AmigaOne.

but is IBrowse 2.3 the release that we are going
to see in OS4, or will that be a completely
different browser?

[Bezzen]

what is css and php? is css something about ssl?

CSS are Cascading Style Sheets. They let you control text, fonts and layout a great deal better than the HTML-standard. Can handle indents, line height, forms and...well, pretty much anything you see on a web page.

PHP was greatly descibed a few posts before me... :-)

i think ibrowse 2.3 WILL be the same version exept that the os 4 version will be ppc native of course...

PS...
CSS = style Sheets, you can define different Styles and adapt them to part of the page (including font, color, back,etc..)

CU

Starknights

[Ami-X]

More information can be found at http://www.w3.org/ and http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/.

Fe. the effect that hyperlink is underlined only when mousepointer hovers over it, is done using CSS.
With css you can do much more than just with font size and font face tags.

And you can create just one separate stylesheet which you can use on every page of your site. Makes updates much simplier.

With that I use a short PHP script that chooses the correct stylesheet depending on which browser is used.
More information about PHP can be found at http://www.php.net/.

I am also very excited to see what they have in the new IBrowse. IB1.22 is my second most favoured browser after Voyager. (nro uno on porn sites :-D )

[Seehund]

> what are the specific features for the IBrowse 2.3 update?

I don't think a more specific list of updated features has been released containing anything other than an updated JavaScript engine, IB rewritten for PPC (?) and AmiSSL2.

> but is IBrowse 2.3 the release that we are going
to see in OS4 [...]?

We won't see IB "in" OS4. It will come with OS4, on the same CD. This will be a scaled down "OEM" version with missing features compared to the retail version.

[Seehund]

Bezzen wrote:

CSS [...] let you control text, fonts and layout a great deal better than the HTML-standard.

It is worth pointing out that stylesheets are part of the current HTML standard (and as such they of course ought to be supported by Amiga browsers too).

[Seehund]

Ami-X wrote:

> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

Those with CSS-incompatible browsers can have a look at what that site looks like with a CSS-capable browser (Galeon) here.
In that picture, the mouse pointer (invisible in the screen grab) rests over the "floating" menu up in the right corner, highlighting the "Search" menu item. All those differently coloured words at the top of the page are also links that will also be highlighted (or do you say "highlit"?) when pointed at. No need for JavaScript, Flash or anything like that. Also note the layout of the "textframe" with rounded edges and compare it with how your browser displays it.

This is what this article looks like in Galeon. Here the mousepointer is pointing at "More about Software" under "Related Links" in the top right corner.

Here are the Amiga.org forums in Galeon. The "Amiga Gaming" link is highlighted, as is that whole table cell. In fact, the whole cell is working as a link.

I recently saw an extremely impressive CSS demo with different background picture/table transparencies, on-the-fly-changing user selectable themes, text flowing around shapes, unfolding menu trees and lots of stuff that made you think "hey, Flash and JavaScript never was this fast on this computer before". Unfortunately I lost the URL. Perhaps somebody here knows what site I'm talking about?

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Excuse me, but could somebody please post a link to the original information?? I'm a little wary of unsubstantiated news these days, speaking of which: I thought the inclusion of IBrowse in OS4 was mostly hypothetical. Has it been confirmed? The information I had was that the browser in OS4 was being worked on by Hyperion, not by Stephan? Am I wrong? More info, please. :-?