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Old 03-26-2009, 06:38 AM   #21
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

I sent an email last month inquiring on the availability of an TekMagic 060 board for my A2000 and they sent the same email to me that they would be making a small production run sometime this year.

I would suggest that anyone that is interested should contact GVP Sales and let them know that there is a high degree of interest in their porducts and also to thank them for supporting our small community.

Also lets remember that we should be reasonable in our requests. The only accelerators that we should encourage them to make are 060 boards for the A2000, A1200, A3000 and A4000 based on their current designs. This will help them to keep their production costs down and make it possible for them to do this. Lets be realistic here, yes it would be nice to see a PPC board but it was never one of the products they offered. So that would be an extremely unreasonable request on your part to ask for. Think about what your asking them to do? REMEMBER THE DRAGON!!! (Elbox's Money Pit) Keep in mind we want GVP to make a good deal of money on the items that they sell so as to encourage them to continue to support our aging hardware.

If and when they do make enough money, then we should ask them to PLEASE look at R&D on a newer accelerator card. Maybe a newly designed 060 board with newer features or maybe even a PPC board based on the tried and proven Blizzard boards.

Remember, "Please" and "Thanks" will get you a better response than making Demands.

Thanks,

Rattlehead...... :-)
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:01 AM   #22
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

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Remember, "Please" and "Thanks" will get you a better response than making Demands.

Thanks,

Rattlehead...... :-)
Good avice, and also try and avoid the words "You must be f****** joking!" when they mention the price. ;-)
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:48 AM   #23
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Good avice, and also try and avoid the words "You must be f****** joking!" when they mention the price. ;-)
Indeed. Just how much IS a 68060 these days? I know of a Chinese bloke flogging one for $150.
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:11 AM   #24
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

Here's my stupid question disclaimer: I know literally nothing about hardware development. I'm a software guy.

Having said that, I was very interested in the talk about some project or other. I can't remember if it was the minimig or something else. Anyway, everyone was talking about emulating a 68000 in one of these new-fangled reprogrammable logic contraptions. (FPGA?) The idea was that they could recreate the 68000, then amp up the clock rate to something serious.

I've also read that the amiga was nice for developing accelerator boards because of it's design. If this is the case, would it really be that difficult for someone to emulate a 68030 (with mmu and fpu) at a higher clock speed? Add in some memory and a buddha from jens, maybe a clock port.

I mean, compared to a buddha, deneb, indivision, mediator, etc, is this really that hard to do? I've heard that recreating the powerpc half would be tough. But I know a lot of people would be interested in a motorola-only accerator board for the 2000/500/600/1200.

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Old 03-26-2009, 09:20 AM   #25
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If this is the case, would it really be that difficult for someone to emulate a 68030 (with mmu and fpu) at a higher clock speed?
Yes.
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:29 AM   #26
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FPGA are no where near fast enough at a reasonable price to be able to emulate an 060
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:45 AM   #27
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

- I have been watching the pricesw USED,NON-WARRANTED, boards bring on eBay; "you have got to be f--- " is paid often!

There are definitely people still with money and interest;used A4000s have been bringing $315 USD.

ANY and all available boards pulled out of new old stock and finished will be eagerly purchased if the prices are not too high.

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Old 03-26-2009, 11:56 AM   #28
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

@Rattlehead

GVP-M is a former shadow of itself. They cannot even support their products properly. I won't get into specifics now, but shouldn't their knowledge be higher than average user's?
Few weeks ago I had issues with an accel board. I found help on a.org. Already, supporting A2000, A1200, A3000 and A4000 is unrealistic (production run for 4 products!) and you can expect prices way higher than they are on ebay.
I would recommend A2000/1200 (most common to find, and 1200 NOS still available).
I doubt they have any software developers or engineers in house - so who is going to design newer hardware?
Oh, and don't bring Elbox into the mix. I went to Cracow, Poland, and looked for 3 hours for their office - anyone that was asked had no clue where it was, even though I went to the right street etc. The Dragon must have sucked them in.
Proven Blizzards? TekMagic boards are also proven.

Anyway the price you pay will be higher than ebay's. Thats for all of you that a dreaming of 060 for $300
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:35 PM   #29
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FPGA are no where near fast enough at a reasonable price to be able to emulate an 060
I don't know, but maybe some less complex processor designs such as the 68030 or 040 are possible. I've always thought this would be the future for classic Amiga expansions. The real processors cost too much, produce too much heat and draw too much power, and I'm sure a board with an FPGA could be made more compact too.

... and seeing the second hand prices of accelerators on eBay makes me pretty sure that a new run of FPGA accelerators could only be cheaper .
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:23 PM   #30
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

Nice! Where you'll find the 030 mask/gerbers?

A plain 68000 is dead easy to emulate, but not the more complicated chips without using a very expensive FPGA. Even NatAmi go to gerber a 060 "clone".
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:04 PM   #31
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A plain 68000 is dead easy to emulate, but not the more complicated chips without using a very expensive FPGA. Even NatAmi go to gerber a 060 "clone".
actually they claim to have next to functional 68k softcore replacement already which is being developed parallel as option to 060 cpu-board. but other serious hardware devs deny that such is possible.
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:15 PM   #32
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

Poses a good question. Which is better, an emulated 060, or a stupid fast emulated 68000 with MMU and FPU?

It would probably be best to emulate an 030, though, since I believe the expansion logic in the Fast Slot is built around the 030. Am I correct?
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:57 PM   #33
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even an emulated 68000 would have the limits of an 16bit cpu i take it (adress space and such). would be better to go for 32bit perhaps.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:04 PM   #34
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Poses a good question. Which is better, an emulated 060, or a stupid fast emulated 68000 with MMU and FPU?

It would probably be best to emulate an 030, though, since I believe the expansion logic in the Fast Slot is built around the 030. Am I correct?
Yes, I think 68030 has the best balance between compatibility and features, so it might be the best emulation choice if you want to speed everything up (and allow access to large amounts of ram) while remaining compatible with all those whdload games ;-)

EDIT: Or maybe just a 68020 and a MMU
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:08 PM   #35
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Oh, and don't bring Elbox into the mix. I went to Cracow, Poland, and looked for 3 hours for their office - anyone that was asked had no clue where it was, even though I went to the right street etc.
Didn't you try ringing them?
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:55 PM   #36
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Poses a good question. Which is better, an emulated 060, or a stupid fast emulated 68000 with MMU and FPU?

It would probably be best to emulate an 030, though, since I believe the expansion logic in the Fast Slot is built around the 030. Am I correct?
Yes, I think 68030 has the best balance between compatibility and features, so it might be the best emulation choice if you want to speed everything up (and allow access to large amounts of ram) while remaining compatible with all those whdload games ;-)

EDIT: Or maybe just a 68020 and a MMU
A 020 with instruction and data caches + burst plus a MMU is called 030. ;-)

Although it is easier to emulate than a 060, no documentation of the behaviour of such CPU are available. Still a no-go, sadly. :-(
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Old 03-27-2009, 07:31 AM   #37
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Default Re: A new GVP-M Accellerator production run?

Why the GVP-m's accelerators can't have more than 128 MB of memory? Is it because of the memory modules (GVP-SIMMs)?
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:03 AM   #38
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If their card can't use more than 128 mb ram and is limited to propietary memory modules they should redesign it so that it already includes a chip with 128 mb ram (and maybe use newer/cheaper DDR ram).
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:21 AM   #39
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Are these guys really back? Or is this just more vapourware?

Does anyone have any details on what and when and how much?
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:03 AM   #40
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There are some prices on their site and they many of the products do say "In Stock" or "New" next to them.

http://www.gvp-m.com/pricejapan.html

It only seems to be '030s for us poor 1200 users
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