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[barney]

Hello everybody, I have a small question. Has anybody used an Amiga 3000 with an LCD monitor? How does it work compared with a CRT? Which one looks crisper? Thanks.

Barney

[Gwion]

IMO, If you have a graphics card I would use a LCD if not I would use a CRT.

[Sandman]

Hi,

Excuse me if I make some mis-statements here as I am learning this issue myself :-)

I find that a CRT looks better on my PIV, since it seems to handle different resolutions better than a LCD which, I believe, is best only at it native resolution.

Tim

[Phantom]

I'm sorry but using PIV it's better on LCD rather on CRT.

[save2600]

I'm sure you guys are right, but it has been my experience that (out of the box) CRT's look sharper and more natural than LCD's, whether you're using native modes, video cards or not. Having said that, I have never tweaked the monitor settings to death either. I suspect one would have to play with the pixel clock? or other settings in order to get a decent image out of LCD and an Amiga.

And then there is the widescreen aspect, which really sucks with Amiga. I'm about to purchase a 4:3 LCD for my Amiga, but am already anticipating disappointment compared to my trusty CRT.

[barney]

Thanks for the replies. What does PIV stand for? Just curious.

Barney

[Damion]

LCD is crisper, *if* running at the panel's native resolution. For 1024x768 (about what Amiga graphic cards like the PIV/CV/CV3D can handle and still remain somewhat snappy), you would need a 15" LCD. I suppose you could squeeze a 1280x1024 resolution WB, and use a 17" or 19" LCD.

CRT offers much better resolution scaling, which is why I prefer to use them with the classics. LCD smearing is also much worse at non-native resolution, another reason I like CRTs for gaming/watching demos on the classics. Properly set up, a good aperture grille CRT (Eizo, Lacie, etc) can have an absolutely STUNNING picture. Problem is, you need to find a good one, then potentially spend hours adjusting it to perfection. :/ Note that any screen much larger than 17" will make your games look blocky, also CRT flicker is more noticeable on larger screens.

A lot of this is subjective, best thing is to try both and let your eyes decide.

[beller]

I've used my A3000 with an Samsung 19" LCD until my wife grabbed it for her Mac mini. I'm using an old EMachine monitor at the moment. I much prefer the LCD myself.

A point I don't think I've seen in the discussion, this is about the A3000 which has standard VGA output. I've actually been working on mine this week...

Bob

[Tension]

barney wrote:
Thanks for the replies. What does PIV stand for? Just curious.

Barney

PIV = Post Indicator Valve — a type of valve used for underground fire sprinkler shutoff

[hardlink]

Tension wrote:
PIV = Post Indicator Valve — a type of valve used for underground fire sprinkler shutoff

Surprisingly, the above statement is actually true.

[quarkx]

I have use a native Commodore CRT and a LCD monitor with a stock A3000 unit. Using only the VGA out on the A 3000.
The LCD is WAY better and doesn't produce the flicker that the CRT did. I though I would have epilictic fits if i had to go through that for any length of time. The down side is the resolution is not good enough for wall paper pictures, but it is clean and sharp for a solid background.

[Iggy_Drougge]

CRT looks better, since no sensible LCD will match your Amigas resolution, resulting in fuzzy rescaling. The only reason to use an LCD on an Amiga is space reasons.

[beller]

Iggy,

I'd agree with you on OTHER Amigas, but this is about the A3000. It's VGA output displays everything quite nicely on an LCD. The A3000 doesn't suffer in quality on VGA.

Bob

[Damion]

beller wrote:
Iggy,

I'd agree with you on OTHER Amigas, but this is about the A3000. It's VGA output displays everything quite nicely on an LCD. The A3000 doesn't suffer in quality on VGA.

Bob

You still have the scaling issues, and potentially worse ghosting at non-native resolution/frequency (many LCD don't handle 50Hz correctly, even if they display it - another problem).

It doesn't bother some people, it all depends on what you notice and how fussy you are. Most people would think a new LCD looks better than a generic POS 15" CRT, or their old 1084... but with a good CRT there's absolutely no comparison IMHO.

[beller]

This is starting to remind me of a discussion on tube (valves for the English) stereo amps vs solid state.

It truly is a personal choice...

Bob