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[Trev]

Ah, Cloister the Stupid. I loved the little drawings documenting the exodus of the cats from the ship. (But not as much as I loved the reveal of the biohazard sign in "Quarantine.")

[trekiej]

I guess I will bid this post farewell.

It seems that a dislike for God and the need to prove his existence is the two things that get to people when it comes to Christianity.

According to this post one can not prove or disprove Gods existence. I have nothing to loose following Christ.
The existence of humans is proof of Gods existence.

I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

[Trev]

I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

That doesn't make a lick of sense. ;-) I agree with you that you have nothing to lose following Christ, or rather, the teachings of Christ. Many Christians, however, sort of overlook that part. (I know televangelists aren't exactly the gold standard when it comes to true Christianity, but I do recall a humorous segement of the 700 Club staged as a news broadcast tracking the advancement of "Christ's soldiers" in Iraq. Shouldn't they have been praying for peace? Pat Robertson is one bloodthirsty son of a you know what.)

What I find disconcerting is the believer's inability to view themselves and the world around them objectively. "I believe, therefore I am" is not a sound progression.

Trev, Atheist

[Wilse]

I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

My name is Robert and....
:bow: :devildance: :devildance: :devildance: :devildance: :devildance: :devildance: :bow:
I am a Satan worshipping Atheist.

[Wain]

trekiej wrote:

The existence of humans is proof of Gods existence.

The existence of humans isn't proof of anything except that humans exist.

You may consider it to be potentially corollary evidence of God's existence, but it is only at best potentially so as there is no more evidence that humans exist due to God than there is evidence that humans exist due to a gigantic blob of yogurt made from elephant dung that once floated in the sky and eventually dried out and died from too much sun exposure.

I have nothing to loose following Christ.

Unless the Kali-ma worshippers, Jews, Zoroastrianists, atheists, Hindus, Scientologists, or anybody else who isn't Christian is right. Then you've all sorts of things to lose, from things as simple as time spent reading your bible, worshipping, or arguing pointless threads like this one, to your very "immortal" soul, eternal happiness, salvation, or rebirth as a higher life-form. Jahweh isn't the only jealous god.

You don't have to be Christian to be a good person, but don't pretend there aren't necessary investments involved in being one in order to try to Charles Babbage us.

EDIT - Darnit! I meant Pascal, not Babbage...lol!

[Speelgoedmannetje]

trekiej wrote:
I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

Booh!

[bloodline]

trekiej wrote:

The existence of humans is proof of Gods existence.

That statement defies logic!!!

What you have said is the same as saying: The existence of cats proves the existence of Cheese... Any questions you have regarding my statement of relationship between cats and cheese apply equally to your statement regarding the relationship between gods and humans.

I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

That is like asking how many Christians don't believe in Jesus... The question doesn't make any sense!

[cecilia]

trekiej wrote:
I guess I will bid this post farewell.

It seems that a dislike for God and the need to prove his existence is the two things that get to people when it comes to Christianity.

how can a rational person "dislike" a 'god' that doesn't exist??

According to this post one can not prove or disprove Gods existence. I have nothing to loose following Christ.
The existence of humans is proof of Gods existence.

I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

none. Atheists don't 'worship' anything.

[Oliver]

trekiej wrote:
I wonder how many people that are Atheists worship Satan?

I had really hoped this thread wouldn't degenerate into this. One of the things I find most frustrating about religion, is the difficulty in discussing the topic, without personal affront, and overreaction.

[Trev]

I had really hoped this thread wouldn't degenerate into this. One of the things I find most frustrating about religion, is the difficulty in discussing the topic, without personal affront, and overreaction.

Faith itself is irrational, so irrational behavior could be expected from the faithful; however, as thinking, free-willed beings--if we assume for the moment that thought is somehow more than the sum of its quantum parts, as the faithful believe--you'd think the discourse would rise above the dogma.

Rather than "I believe, therefore I am," I guess it should be "I believe, therefore He is." That represents a very real divide, particularly with the memorize-and-regurgitate youth here in the United States: does reality shape perception or does perception shape reality?

EDIT:

For posterity, my position as an Atheist: While I don't believe as fact the earthly mythos of God in Heaven, I don't deny the possibility that somewhere in this universe, a being, assemblage of beings, or something heretofore inconceivable exists with abilities or technology that for all intents and purposes would be labeled Godlike. My lack of belief doesn't mean I deny the past existance of Jesus, Muhammad, or any other person with revolutionary ideas about how to treat people.

[Lorraine]

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[cecilia]

[Trev]

Evangelical Christianity is fine, but if I don't get up early enough on Sunday, the three megachurches in my area (one of them is actually a chain/franchise--no {bleep}--and larger than most of the area high schools) have cleared all local Starbucks of their overpriced and unhealthy but delicious pastries, and my wife has to drink Pike Place because they ran out of whatever the good coffee was that morning.